DAVe3283 7 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Looking for some user experience Has anybody had any experience with the following SAS expanders i have my eye on? Microsemi (Adaptec) - 82885T (2283400) - http://storage.microsemi.com/en-us/support/sas/sas/aec-82885t/ or the Intel RES2CV360/240 http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/servers/raid/raid-expander-res2cv.html So after good or bad experinces.... 1) what raid card did you connect the expanders to 2) what throughput do you get when using multiple HDD/SSD - anything close to the bandwidth claimed? 3) If not connected to same make of RAID card - could you update the bios on the intel or not? 4) Do you have either working in WIn 10 PRO 64bit - any issues - does Windows see the expanders i believe it should Finally a bit confused with the cable directions do you use forward or reverse breakout cables from the expander to the HDD? and also are there any issues with the Adaptec and cables from miniSAS (8087) to miniSAS HD (8643) - i assume these are bi directional? Lost of questions - just been burnt with Highpoint controllers not working together so want to get it right this time Thanks We have now wandered quite a bit off the "Show off your rig" topic, but I'll share my 2¢ anyway. Those SAS expanders are in the $300-350 range (even on eBay), and the Adaptec even takes up a PCIe slot to work. I would suggest looking at a Dell 0KT1V (Adaptec ASR-78165) on eBay. They go for $150 (bare) to $200 (with backup battery!), and are a full 24-port RAID card. I use this, and on an array of SSDs, I can pull 7 GiB/sec read, and write to a RAID 60 at 2+ GiB/sec. It will save you some money, and takes the worry of throughput out of the picture. I believe (but am not certain) you can create RAID volumes that span multiple Adaptec controllers, or run software redundancy (several ways are mentioned in this so-off-topic thread ). If you have a base RAID card you like, and want it to create a single mega-volume, then the expanders might be worth the extra money. But adding a whole 24-port RAID card for half the cost of an expander is something to consider, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenkethBoy 2063 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Thanks for the info Yes i think we need a Hardware sub forum for Tech heads @@ebr?? To the current matter at hand - yes they are in most cases more expensive than a HBA - Raid would be nice but not needed as going Stablebit Drivepool - so happy to pay for the expander and get a compatible HBA after - long story but Highpoint Rocket Raid cards do not play nice with each other under windows although up to 4 can work together under windows 10 according to Highpoint - but after testing for the best part of a month - computer says NO! The Adaptec can be powered by the pcie slot or the molex connector - similar to the Intel - but if not i have spare slots as i will not be using 4 RR 2720SGL's Having had so much hassle i would like to get these working under win10 - so need cards that support it directly as the Intel does and the Adaptec only needs an inf/cat file combo so no drivers. I will have a look at the Dell - looks on a quick pass to be a Series 7 Adaptec card - so might be an option if Dell has win 10 drivers etc or the Adaptec ones will work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAVe3283 7 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) I will have a look at the Dell - looks on a quick pass to be a Series 7 Adaptec card - so might be an option if Dell has win 10 drivers etc or the Adaptec ones will work. The Dell 0KT1V is the Adaptec ASR-78165, even uses the same firmware. Only difference is Adaptec won't directly provide support for them (they know which serial number is Dell and which is theirs). This is the card I am talking about, $135 on eBay. I am using a couple with the battery backup modules on Windows Server 2012 R2 (~Win8.1), but it looks like Adaptec has drivers for Windows 10 x64 as well. The Adaptec drivers (and firmware!) do work perfectly with the Dell card. Edited October 27, 2016 by DAVe3283 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenkethBoy 2063 Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) Yes google pulled up a few options Good to know the Adaptec firmware and drivers work Edited October 27, 2016 by PenkethBoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted October 27, 2016 Share Posted October 27, 2016 Yes, a place for tech chat and questions would be great 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Look what just showed up (there's one more to come). I love being a geek! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediacowboy 438 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 They'll be added to the two I already have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediacowboy 438 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 28 tb ain't bad. I know people will complain but I have 1 Seagate 8tb archive and 5 - 4 tb desktop drives running under Windows 7 with drive bender. Before I hear anything bad I do have a backup server about a hour and thirty minutes from my place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 (edited) 28 tb ain't bad. I know people will complain but I have 1 Seagate 8tb archive and 5 - 4 tb desktop drives running under Windows 7 with drive bender. Before I hear anything bad I do have a backup server about a hour and thirty minutes from my place. I have other drives in the server, too. They are all desktop drives, and all Seagate. Edited October 28, 2016 by Doofus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediacowboy 438 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Do you have a link to those hard drives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Do you have a link to those hard drives? I got them on amazon https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HHAJRU0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenkethBoy 2063 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Yes very good drives i have 14 of them in a QNAP and my Drivepool server - just make sure you have good cooling each one can hit 170MB/s no problem for large files @@mediacowboy do you see the poor write performance but good read performance people talk about for Archive drives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Yes very good drives i have 14 of them in a QNAP and my Drivepool server - just make sure you have good cooling each one can hit 170MB/s no problem for large files @@mediacowboy do you see the poor write performance but good read performance people talk about for Archive drives? They are cooled pretty well. The other two I have, have been running nicely. They aren't the quietest drives, though. Not loud, but not silent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenkethBoy 2063 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Speed comes at a price my man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Speed comes at a price my man Ha! It does, but I'm very happy with these puppies 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenkethBoy 2063 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 I had a few parcels today as well the start of some nice new toys Can you guess what they are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenkethBoy 2063 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 How the */+* do you get photo's to show up inline rather than as tiny thumbnails? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy2Play 8296 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 How the */+* do you get photo's to show up inline rather than as tiny thumbnails? Don't attach them, click the little picture in the tool bar and upload. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenkethBoy 2063 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 AAAH! Bisto 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speechles 1920 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 You guys are lucky you arent in France. Someone might put a gun to your head, tie you up, put you in a bathtub and rob you for your gear. You guys have any with diamond or gold accoutrements? Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asrequested Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 AAAH! Bisto 10G! AWESOME! And I haven't heard that expression in many years 'AAH Bisto'...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediacowboy 438 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 @@mediacowboy do you see the poor write performance but good read performance people talk about for Archive drives? Yes I see the slow write times but all in all I don't right to it all that often. Once the media is on the drive it becomes stagnant. I do all my recording and other processes on a faster drive before putting it on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediacowboy 438 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 You guys are lucky you arent in France. Someone might put a gun to your head, tie you up, put you in a bathtub and rob you for your gear. You guys have any with diamond or gold accoutrements? Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk Doesn't France have pretty strick gun laws? I could see this happening in the United States. Hints another thread I started and about to take my license to carry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediacowboy 438 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 DSC_0003.JPG I had a few parcels today as well the start of some nice new toys Can you guess what they are Care to share where you found them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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