In-Progress Emby Server & Theater - Additional Extras/Special Folder Types for TV Series (similar to Movies)

[roaku 839]

35 minutes ago, lorac said:

I agree it shouldn't do that. The last post in that thread would eliminate these issues. 

I believe we'll see it one day but probably not this beta cycle. 

It wouldn't solve my case.

There is no matching metadata provider entry for my file, story critical or otherwise.

Emby needs to be smart enough not to try to identify at all if the extra is in one of the new folders and doesn't use the SXXEXX convention at all.

Edited November 11, 2023 by roaku

[katbyte 35]

On 2/20/2023 at 9:37 PM, Luke said:

If there's enough demand for it, it's certainly possible.

I am going to chime in with some more demand for this - its nice to support the extra folders so they can be used but its a half assed halfway implementation of additional content folders, however this dumps potentially dozens of random files into one unsorted bucket. the ui elements are entirely required for this to work.

[billyjr82 1]

+1 for extras and whatnot to work the same way movie extras work.  What I do is I just simply toss all of the extra files into the same folder as the episodes for that season, but that has a few annoying drawbacks.  Deleted scenes I have to name them as "x09 - Deleted Scenes.mkv" for episode 9 of that season.  Anything else in that folder that has a number in it, I have to type it out instead of using the number, or else Emby will either mistake it for an episode, or it just won't display it at all.  So Part 1 has to be typed out as Part One, etc.  Even then, it's still clunky as hell because it then lists all of the extra features above the episode listings for that season, but at least I don't have to do any major overhauling of the meta data, or have an extra 'season' that Emby then counts as another actual season.

[ullmat 0]

On 11/10/2023 at 2:17 AM, roaku said:

What I imagined would happen is that because this file has no special S00EXX naming, Emby wouldn't try to identify it with a metadata provider special and instead would just add this extra as a non-numbered, unofficial special using the file name and place it at the end of Season 1.

In other words, I wanted to see 'Special - Season 1 Featurettes' as the last 'episode' in the Season 1 listing.

And, what I continue to want is for Emby to place this not-a-'special' *extra* in a separate Extras section at the bottom of Season 1 and only for actual, metadata backed Specials with a metadata 'appears before episode' property to appear in-line with the Season listing.

Hey, new forum user here. Have used emby for a few years. This is precisely how I'd imagine "extras" or specials work. Separated by season, displayed at the end of the episode list. It's a no-brainer. All files not following the episode naming scheme gets chucked into extras. Or files in an extras folder in each season. A "Season 0" makes no sense at all. If you absolutely need to have it in one folder, Display it last. After all seasons of a show. Kinda like how you'd watch it... afterwards. And I'm sure "extra" is some kind of latin for "put at the end"

edit: I literally just registered on the forum for this one issue.

Edited May 6, 2024 by ullmat

[Luke 41276]

Hi, yes I would agree that it probably makes sense to display the extras season at the very end.

[ates 4]

it'd be really cool to have extras seperated by type.

it's hard to scroll through the section when some shows have over one hundred extras.

i'd like to choose between featurettes, making of or interviews folders easily.

tvdb started seperating the extras this way, maybe it can be implemented?

Edited June 7, 2024 by ates

[DarkStar1977 114]

Some of the Extras maybe not be in Tvdb, why not implementing it the same way as movies ?

Has no sense that the extras are fitted into Season 0 when those may not match anything from the tvdb.

[m7eesn 13]

I completely agree, Extras aren't special and most often don't have a tvdb/tmdb entries. The extras can be show, season or episode specific, and i want them to display inline, like other media servers

[christopher102994 3]

+1

[DarkStar1977 114]

In fact, the main issue of having extras in Season 0 is that those will appear as "next episode to see" after you see a real season 0 episode.

Example:

- S00E001 Is the final TV Show Episode 
- EXTRA 1: Is the Opening with no Credits (Creditless)
- EXTRA 2: Is the Ending with no Credits (Creditless)

After I watch the S00E001 as Show ending, in the Home page will appear EXTRA 1 as the "next episode to see" ...

 

[RaptorCentauri 58]

What is the current progress of this feature? I'm really hoping appropriate progress is being made on this feature. Bonus content and Special Episodes must be considered as different types of media. They should be in distinctly separate areas of the UI. 

Edited August 3, 2024 by RaptorCentauri

[Happy2Play 9655]

3 hours ago, RaptorCentauri said:

What is the current progress of this feature? I'm really hoping appropriate progress is being made on this feature. Bonus content and Special Episodes must be considered as different types of media. They should be in distinctly separate areas of the UI. 

They are all currently Alias to Season 0/Specials unless you are applying them to an episode then they are extras in that episode just like movies.

[RaptorCentauri 58]

Has any consideration been given to the following file structure

Series/
-Season n/
--SnE1
--SnE2
-Specials
-- *Special episodes*
-Extras
--*Extras related to series level*
--Season n/
---*Extras related to Season Level*
---Episode n/
----*Extras related to specific episode

This would really help with organizing extras at a file structure level from a system admin side.

[emby.trace706 2]

Having a structure similar to Jellyfin would be extremely beneficial. I have many TV Shows that I have extras for that are from the Blu-Rays, which don't show up since they don't match anything. Have a structure such as:

/TV Shows
	/[Show 1]
    		/Season 01
        		Episode 1 - S01E01.mkv
           		/extras
            			extra-content - extra.mkv

Having it then list in the season after the episodes as a separate section would be fine. Maybe switching to a horizontal view for episodes, then under the episodes is the section for extras, specials, behind the scenes, etc. Otherwise tabs could also work. After tapping the series and season, having the default tab be "Episodes" or "Season 1" and then a tab for "Specials", "Extras", "Behind the Scenes", etc. I don't need the actual extras to match anything. Using a screen grab or such for an image preview, then use the file name without the "- extra" at the end would be enough info. Anything else could be added manually. Sorting could just be as the files are added in no particular order, or else alphabetical. 

Edit: I see Movies have specials listed without matching, the same thing under each season would be great.

Edited September 18, 2024 by emby.trace706
Adding more to suggestion.

[Luke 41276]

On 9/18/2024 at 6:09 PM, emby.trace706 said:

Having a structure similar to Jellyfin would be extremely beneficial. I have many TV Shows that I have extras for that are from the Blu-Rays, which don't show up since they don't match anything. Have a structure such as:

/TV Shows
	/[Show 1]
    		/Season 01
        		Episode 1 - S01E01.mkv
           		/extras
            			extra-content - extra.mkv

Having it then list in the season after the episodes as a separate section would be fine. Maybe switching to a horizontal view for episodes, then under the episodes is the section for extras, specials, behind the scenes, etc. Otherwise tabs could also work. After tapping the series and season, having the default tab be "Episodes" or "Season 1" and then a tab for "Specials", "Extras", "Behind the Scenes", etc. I don't need the actual extras to match anything. Using a screen grab or such for an image preview, then use the file name without the "- extra" at the end would be enough info. Anything else could be added manually. Sorting could just be as the files are added in no particular order, or else alphabetical. 

Edit: I see Movies have specials listed without matching, the same thing under each season would be great.

Hi, this should already be supported.

@Happy2Playhave you tried this?

[Happy2Play 9655]

On 11/21/2024 at 9:09 PM, Luke said:

Hi, this should already be supported.

@Happy2Playhave you tried this?

Technically Series/Season Extras are all treated the same and will appear as Specials/Season 0 and placed in perspective seasons.  Extras added to episode appear on that episode details page.

So Extras in a Season appear in two locations 

Specials/Season 0

And the season they are placed in

Have not really retested this if anything has changed in Treatment of all Extras/Specials as Season 0.

[RaptorCentauri 58]

Regarding season extras, they are being listed at the end of the season, but they are being counted as episodes. Meaning if I play the S1 finale, the next video that plays is the first extra listed, rather that the S2 premiere. Season extras should not contribute to the episode count of a season, not the episode progression of a season or series. They should be in a distinctly separate UI area as well. 

[Luke 41276]

19 hours ago, RaptorCentauri said:

Regarding season extras, they are being listed at the end of the season, but they are being counted as episodes. Meaning if I play the S1 finale, the next video that plays is the first extra listed, rather that the S2 premiere. Season extras should not contribute to the episode count of a season, not the episode progression of a season or series. They should be in a distinctly separate UI area as well. 

Hi there, they are separate. Have you explored the special episode numbers in the metadata editor?

[tedfroop21 85]

21 hours ago, RaptorCentauri said:

Regarding season extras, they are being listed at the end of the season, but they are being counted as episodes. Meaning if I play the S1 finale, the next video that plays is the first extra listed, rather that the S2 premiere. Season extras should not contribute to the episode count of a season, not the episode progression of a season or series. They should be in a distinctly separate UI area as well. 

That would be just below the screen shot Happy2Play posted, in each Special's Metadata and it can be edited.

Using these fields, you can choose to allow it to play at the start of the season,  in the order it was aired (ie: a Christmas Special would be sort of mid season), OR you can remove the Season and Episode number and it will show in specials ONLY and will not play during a season.

Be sure to Lock any fields you modify as fetching meta may refresh anything that doesn't match the server and you will have to go back and make changes again.

 

[RaptorCentauri 58]

Something is either not working as it should be, or there is a miscommunication about expectations happening. I have an "extras" folder inside Season 1. I have the "airs during season" set to a null value. From what I am reading, this should mean it will NOT play during season one with a play all action. However when I hit play at the season level, it does in fact play the videos. I've attached some images to illustrate.

Separately I continue to maintain the position that there needs to be better UI separation between bonus feature content and "special episodes". The videos listed in my examples are not episodes at all. They do not belong in a list of season episodes, nor do they belong in a list of "special episodes".

 

[Luke 41276]

On 12/2/2024 at 12:21 PM, RaptorCentauri said:

Something is either not working as it should be, or there is a miscommunication about expectations happening. I have an "extras" folder inside Season 1. I have the "airs during season" set to a null value. From what I am reading, this should mean it will NOT play during season one with a play all action. However when I hit play at the season level, it does in fact play the videos. I've attached some images to illustrate.

Separately I continue to maintain the position that there needs to be better UI separation between bonus feature content and "special episodes". The videos listed in my examples are not episodes at all. They do not belong in a list of season episodes, nor do they belong in a list of "special episodes".

 

@RaptorCentaurihow does it compare when you click play on the series screen?

[RaptorCentauri 58]

On 12/17/2024 at 9:27 PM, Luke said:

@RaptorCentaurihow does it compare when you click play on the series screen?

Clicking play on the following: Show Library, Series Screen, and Season screen all results in the special feautures video playing. This is on 4.9.0.33

[GingerPenguin 2]

I'm giving Emby a go after trying Plex, Jellyfin and Kodi. I've got a few shows that have extras sorted in their season folder and they are all coming up in the specials page in the Emby UI as well as being put in their seasons page sometimes before the first episode and sometimes after. What's more, a few have been misidentified for whatever reason and stuck in random places. Being identified as specials really doesn't make a lot of sense if they're not in a Specials or Season 00 folder. Ideally, they would have their own section either below the season list in the series view or below the season they are a part of.

I know that's probably a bit of an ask but at the very least they need to not be counted in episode numberings for seasons or show as the next episode/autoplay and always be stuck at the end of a season after all other episodes so you don't have to scroll past a bunch of interviews and deleted scenes and whatnot every time you want to get to episode 1. I looked for an 'ignore extras' toggle somewhere but couldn't find it. Honestly, up until now, everything else I've used has just ignored extras that haven't been given a specials number on TVDB or TMDB and named accordingly. For now I've just put a .ignore file into the extras folders for shows I'm currently watching so they play correctly while I'm evaluating Emby but it would be good to see a better implementation here.

Edited January 29 by GingerPenguin

[Bigmack3000 105]

Ha, yea. This is a very long standing battle.  There's a lot of improvements that could be made for extras, but emby is always very hesitant to do anything for them.  One of the biggest things now, is that extras identified for specific episodes, show up in the same drop down box as versions for that episode.  Which makes them just hidden or confusing.  At a bare minimum there should be a separate drop down box for those extras.

[JohnnyKonami 1]

+1.  I'd like just an option for items in my extras folder to appear on a different row, and not intermingled in with the episodes.  I just updated my truenas installation and emby install just to get the feature to display extras per tv season.  Thanks for considering!  We love emby at my house, keep up the good work.