Option to import keywords into tags from providers

[JBubba 3]

Referenced in https://emby.media/community/index.php?/topic/67868-potential-plugin-for-media-organization-based-on-tags/

 

Would like an option for the Movie DB provider (and other providers if available) to import keywords into tags, for organization and potentially sorting/searching purposes.

 

 

Thanks guys!

 

-J

[Luke 40122]

We actually used to do this, but many users found it to be a mess with the large number of tags being imported, so that's why it was removed.

[JBubba 3]

Couldn't it be considered for an advanced option that is defaulted to off? I see a lot of options similar to that.

[Luke 40122]

Yes certainly.

[enrique8316868 0]

Any update on this? Would love to use keywords/tags in the Virtual TV plugin.

[Luke 40122]

9 hours ago, enrique8316868 said:

Any update on this? Would love to use keywords/tags in the Virtual TV plugin.

Hi, not yet, sorry.

[enrique8316868 0]

Thanks Luke. Like I said, I have been playing around with the VirtualTV plugin and having more metadata would be very useful in creating the channels. Any other plans to include additional metadata sources otherwise?

[Luke 40122]

38 minutes ago, enrique8316868 said:

Thanks Luke. Like I said, I have been playing around with the VirtualTV plugin and having more metadata would be very useful in creating the channels. Any other plans to include additional metadata sources otherwise?

Please create feature request topics for the sources that you'd like to see and we'll take a look at them. Thanks.

[softworkz 4573]

2 hours ago, enrique8316868 said:

Thanks Luke. Like I said, I have been playing around with the VirtualTV plugin and having more metadata would be very useful in creating the channels. Any other plans to include additional metadata sources otherwise?

You are talking about applying metadata to a channel? Where should that metadata come from?

[ulanov 13]

As suggested on this closed forum page (scrape tags and keywords), it would be great to have Emby natively scrape TMDB and IMDB tags.  TMM does this, but would be terrific not to have to make this a manual, two-step process. 

My use-case example is that I continue to value greatly being able to trace movie writers (in order to follow the career the same way one can a director or an actor - sometimes the same person but on the same or different films, such as Preston Sturges).  I'm OK that this isn't an Emby default, but I like to be able to add it through scraped data, and having those tags natively would be great.

 

[Happy2Play 9451]

3 minutes ago, ulanov said:

TMDB and IMDB tags

Absolutely nothing comes from IMDB.  But do aggree there should be an option enable/disable Keyworks from TMDB as we already get the data.  

[Riddler84 54]

Would also like this feature. Until the day Plex Meta Manager is compatible with Emby, this would be a possibility to create collections based on keywords. I would prefer tags from IMDb, but since there is already a TMDB API connection, it would be a lot easier to get them from there, instead of scraping them from the IMDb website.

Jellyfin is getting them from TMDB btw.
But they're failing with the integration of the filter options. It just opens a large select field, which slows down everything and you can't even search for specific keywords.

[GrimReaper 4159]

4 minutes ago, Riddler84 said:

instead of scraping them from the IMDb website.

Nothing ever comes from IMDB, neither via API calls nor scraped from website. 

On 1/26/2023 at 10:54 PM, Happy2Play said:

Absolutely nothing comes from IMDB.

If implemented, TMDB would be the only source. 

Edited January 29, 2023 by GrimReaper

[manu198 0]

 Buenísimo 

[Riddler84 54]

29 minutes ago, GrimReaper said:

Nothing ever comes from IMDB, neither via API calls nor scraped from website. 

But why though? I feel like this limits Emby's potential. Plex for example gives you three different rating sources you can choose from: TMDB, IMDb and Rotten Tomatoes.
In my opinion, TMDB is the worst source for ratings. I think IMDb is much more accurate, because so much more people are voting.

Getting data from TMDB only also rules out critic ratings, which is weird, because you can enter a value for this in Emby, and it will show you a "Tomatometer", but this data is not automatically retrieved from Rotten Tomatoes^^ Was this planned, but scrapped? The "Top Picks" plugin makes use of this and shows an RT rating.

Same goes for tags. I think they are much better from IMDb, just because more people are entering them and voting for them. But that's just my opinion and I just ask questions

Edit: I just noticed, that the Top Picks Plugin also receives the community rating from IMDb^^

Edited January 29, 2023 by Riddler84

[GrimReaper 4159]

Emby also provides IMDB and RT ratings - coming from OMDB, so they're available and accurate as much as they are available/accurate/updated on OMDB. IMDB data costs - and that cost is way out of reach. 

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Edited January 29, 2023 by GrimReaper

[Riddler84 54]

21 minutes ago, GrimReaper said:

Emby also provides IMDB and RT ratings - coming from OMDB

You're right. Just included it as metadata source and now the ratings are coming from IMDb and RT. That's some progress, thanks^^

[trevormoss 6]

Any update on implementing this?

[Luke 40122]

4 hours ago, trevormoss said:

Any update on implementing this?

Hi, in Emby server tags are designed to be user defined but an option to control this is certainly possible.

[podonnell 42]

+1, would like to see these tags visible within the client. Having a way to click on a specific tag and see similar titles, or just have much more than a few very generic genres is very helpful when browsing titles.

Edited August 5, 2024 by podonnell

[Luke 40122]

I guess the question is should we import these as tags or as something new. Like for instance, calling them Keywords.

[trevormoss 6]

I think 'keywords' is more descriptive of what's being discussed here. I don't want to tell you what your design philosophy should be, but I would think it would only make sense to develop another feature separately if tags and a proposed 'keywords' served a different functional purpose. What is the intended purpose of tags and how is it different than what what's being discussed here? 

[ebr 15673]

16 hours ago, trevormoss said:

What is the intended purpose of tags and how is it different than what what's being discussed here? 

Yeah, that would be my question as well.  Do we really need another level of categorization?

[GrimReaper 4159]

17 minutes ago, ebr said:

Do we really need another level of categorization?

It would be unnecessary IMHO, Tags serve intended purpose perfectly (and so much more, they're extremely versatile). 

On 11/29/2022 at 9:27 PM, GrimReaper said:

I have 100,000+ tags attached to my content (scraping TMDB and IMDB keywords as tags with external tool). What my users adore as it's primary appeal is "term searching" (think 'submarine warfare' or 'vampires') as opposed to "title searching". I use it for access control also. As well as playlists & collections creation. 

As already suggested:

On 1/15/2019 at 8:46 PM, JBubba said:

Couldn't it be considered for an advanced option that is defaulted to off? I see a lot of options similar to that.

It should be added as a library option: who doesn't want them wouldn't enable that option/download them, hence repetition of:

On 1/15/2019 at 7:27 PM, Luke said:

We actually used to do this, but many users found it to be a mess with the large number of tags being imported, so that's why it was removed.

could be easily avoided. 

[user24 245]

On 8/6/2024 at 7:18 AM, trevormoss said:

I would think it would only make sense to develop another feature separately if tags and a proposed 'keywords' served a different functional purpose.

8 hours ago, ebr said:

Yeah, that would be my question as well.  Do we really need another level of categorization?

Yes, these are very good points. Here's an extra consideration...

In several previous threads/posts there has been discussions about both Tag and Genre hierarchy, where people using many Tags and/or Genres have wanted an extra sub-level as a way to group their Tags/Genres into more manageable categories.

If this type of hierarchy feature was ever implemented, then perhaps it could then make some sense to have Keywords as a sub-level of Tags?  E.g.:

Tags

• Parent level: Tag
• Child level: Keyword

Genres

• Parent level: Genre
• Child level: Style

Style is already well-documented as a method of defining sub-genres for Music. Is there anything similar for Keywords and Movies???

Having the two levels of Tag/Keyword and Genre/Style, with the option of creating many-to-many parent-child relationships, would give Emby an extra level of flexibility for those that require it. 

• Casual users could just use Tags/Genres as the default option.
• Serious users could turn on the sub-levels of Keywords/Styles.
• Power users could create their desired parent-child relationships.

Would having these levels be a useful way of implementing Keywords and increasing overall Tag functionality?