Richard Branches 231 Posted September 6, 2018 Author Share Posted September 6, 2018 (edited) I was looking closer at those two logs and I noticed they were getting transcoded but to the same audio format (FLAC), however the bitrate is below the upload limitation, playback wasn't smooth though, weren't they supposed to be converted to AAC instead? is this a normal behavior or is there a bug here? Looks like this is a problem with "Auto" too and I'm going to monitor the logs folder for every song not getting transcoded, I'll let you know later when I get back home. Edited September 6, 2018 by delacosta78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Branches 231 Posted September 6, 2018 Author Share Posted September 6, 2018 It's confirmed! music is getting transcoded into the same FLAC format instead of AAC whether using auto or a manual quality, that's why it says "direct playing" in the dashboard and songs stutter because the transcoded result is still bigger than the upload limitation (they are getting reduced to 384 Kbps but the file size is almost the same as the original). I hope you fix this as soon as possible, thank you in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37118 Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 I tested this and could not reproduce. It transcoded to 320k aac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Branches 231 Posted September 26, 2018 Author Share Posted September 26, 2018 (edited) On 24/09/2018 at 23:07, Luke said: I tested this and could not reproduce. It transcoded to 320k aac. I noticed two transcoding instances when using "Auto", sometimes it transcodes FLACs and 320Kbps MP3s into AAC 315Kbps, the other instance is 384Kbps, it doesn't transcode MP3s but FLACs files are getting transcoded into the same format with that bitrate when it should transcode them into AAC, here is an example: The song appears as direct playing but it's getting transcoded into FLAC: In the transcoding-temp folder you can see the FLAC file getting transcoded into the same format when it should be transcoded into AAC: Take a look at the attached transcoding log, similar to others I've uploaded: ffmpeg-transcode-1be167f1-3d2e-48be-87cc-59c529b6eb54.txt Edited August 30, 2020 by Richard Branches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Branches 231 Posted September 26, 2018 Author Share Posted September 26, 2018 I tested this and could not reproduce. It transcoded to 320k aac. With a fixed quality like 1Mbps it happens the same as explained above. You may wonder why I select 1 Mbps instead of 320Kbps, the answer is the server is still converting the MP3 files of the same quality into AAC because of the album art issue you still haven't fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37118 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Ok i'm testing on the beta so maybe that's the difference. i would suggest trying again with the next release. In my testing the music quality settings in the app are being respected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Branches 231 Posted September 26, 2018 Author Share Posted September 26, 2018 Ok i'm testing on the beta so maybe that's the difference. i would suggest trying again with the next release. In my testing the music quality settings in the app are being respected. With the next release of what, the server? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37118 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Branches 231 Posted September 26, 2018 Author Share Posted September 26, 2018 Yes. Ok, I'll be looking forward to test it and share my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Branches 231 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) Ok i'm testing on the beta so maybe that's the difference. i would suggest trying again with the next release. In my testing the music quality settings in the app are being respected. This is sooooo disappointing! so much waiting for nothing? I updated the server to the new 4.0 version and FLAC songs are still converted into the same format instead of AAC when "Auto" is selected in audio settings!!! I'm gonna cry!!! ffmpeg-transcode-4f7803ad-0d2d-4077-8ac7-c7d7b735462d_1.txt Edited January 16, 2019 by delacosta78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Branches 231 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) MP3s also are still getting transcoded into AAC because of the album art issue we already discussed here... humm... ffmpeg-transcode-c1278317-e670-49c1-ab4c-205786dc917b_1.txt Edited January 15, 2019 by delacosta78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy2Play 8304 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 MP3s also are still getting transcoded into AAC because of the album art issue we already discussed here... humm... The item is being transcoded do to the overall bitrate exceeding your set bitrate limit. So are you suggesting the limit threshold be adjusted to include embedded images or should this limit only look at the bitrate of the track and not the overall item bitrate? MaxStreamingBitrate=320000 track "BitRate":320000 overall "Bitrate":321605 What would the proper way to resolve this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Branches 231 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 The item is being transcoded do to the overall bitrate exceeding your set bitrate limit. So are you suggesting the limit threshold be adjusted to include embedded images or should this limit only look at the bitrate of the track and not the overall item bitrate? MaxStreamingBitrate=320000 track "BitRate":320000 overall "Bitrate":321605 What would the proper way to resolve this? As far as I know the overall bitrate includes the size of the albumart but it shouldn't be a condition for the track to be transcoded, right? the server should take into account only the real bitrate of the track ignoring everything else, at least that's how I understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy2Play 8304 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) The overall bitrate of the item exceeds the max bitrate you set, so yes. Just like a movie if you set a bitrate limit of 5mb and the video track is 5mb and the audio track is 640kb, the item is transcoded do to the overall bitrate exceeding 5mb. I would not expect music to be treated any differently. Edited January 15, 2019 by Happy2Play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Branches 231 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 The overall bitrate of the item exceeds the max bitrate you set, so yes. Just like a movie if you set a bitrate limit of 5mb and the video track is 5mb and the audio track is 640kb, the item is transcoded do to the overall bitrate exceeding 5mb. I would not expect music to be treated any differently. I feel like I've been fooled all the time by waiting for the "supposed" issue to be fixed when in reality it won't, because music files will always contain a bitrate different than the OS shows, I guess someone should've let me see this from the beginning so I could stop complaining about it in this topic, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy2Play 8304 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 To me it is perspective. But you should voice your opinion on how this could be improved, as you stated all music that is for example already 320000 bitrate will get transcoded do to track embedded images. So ideally shouldn't the threshold be offset by so much to cover the embedded images? But the hard part is by how much as no ones embedded image are exactly the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Branches 231 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) To me it is perspective. But you should voice your opinion on how this could be improved, as you stated all music that is for example already 320000 bitrate will get transcoded do to track embedded images. So ideally shouldn't the threshold be offset by so much to cover the embedded images? But the hard part is by how much as no ones embedded image are exactly the same. Like I said, I always though the server would take into account ONLY the bitrate of the audio part in order to allow the song to be played directly, that's it. Edited January 16, 2019 by delacosta78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37118 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I guess the question is, what if a user's connection could really only handle 320k, and then what if you have a 360k container due to lots of embedded images. Having the 360k file direct play would result in stuttering if it can't get there fast enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Branches 231 Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 I guess the question is, what if a user's connection could really only handle 320k, and then what if you have a 360k container due to lots of embedded images. Having the 360k file direct play would result in stuttering if it can't get there fast enough. I commented something about that but then deleted it, I guess if there is too much stutter then we should change the bitrate threshold, after all that's a manual setting we can change anytime we need it. Right now I'm more concerned about the issue in comment #85, I've been waiting for almost a year for that issue to be fixed, I still feel disappointed that you couldn't fix it for this new server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37118 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Because a fix for you could break the experience for someone else. You realize that right? I suppose we could allow for a tolerance of 10k, or something along those lines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Branches 231 Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 Because a fix for you could break the experience for someone else. You realize that right? I suppose we could allow for a tolerance of 10k, or something along those lines? Yes, I do. Please let me know when FLAC is not transcoded into itself, that's the issue I've been waiting for the last 11 months to be fixed, I'm patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37118 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Yes that is a problem. I will test that today. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37118 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 This is sooooo disappointing! so much waiting for nothing? I updated the server to the new 4.0 version and FLAC songs are still converted into the same format instead of AAC when "Auto" is selected in audio settings!!! I'm gonna cry!!! What app were you playing with here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Branches 231 Posted January 17, 2019 Author Share Posted January 17, 2019 What app were you playing with here? Latest stable Android mobile app on LG G3 using mobile data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 The logic really needs to include everything and work the same for movies & TV Shows. Imagine a movie that has 5 different audio tracks in it. You only use 1 audio track at a time but the file being delivered for direct play still contains all 5 audio tracks. Those 4 "other" audio tracks still very much take up bandwidth and still need to be counted. Same with internal subtitles or any other track in the media file. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now