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#1 breezytm OFFLINE  

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Posted 09 July 2015 - 05:43 PM

Hey guys, 

 

It's been a while. I was readying through the competitor forum recently and I noticed there were a post in which people where seeking users to share libraries with. Then this idea came to mind. What if you gents were to implement user groups. A group is create and assign an Emby account ( automatically). Each member who joins the group become a part of a bigger network. Here's the use case: 

 

1. User A creates a group

2. User A can selects an option to either allow interested user to send a request for approval or auto enroll.

3. User A assigns which library he/she wants to share with join users

 

4. User B joins the group

5. User B upon approval is prompt to assign which library he/she wants to share with the group (No none option - got to contribute lol)

6. When user A and B login to emby.media with their emby connect account they would now be presented with two servers. Their personal and the shared library with the group name.

7. Emby would automatically scan both user library for media type.  Media types can be: Movies, TV shows, Photos, Music etc..

8. Emby would automatically set any matched media content as one media with multiple quality. For example: If both users have "Batman begins", emby would present one artwork for batman begins but when selected for playback it would prompt the user to select with one to play. The one from user A or user B and also the quality. 

 

5. User C decides to join to the group. The same process is repeated 

 

 

This would be a great feature for users such as myself whom are interested in discovering new movies, tv shows, music, arts (photos), etc...

 

I love foreign movies but I don't know too many people who are not from here (U.S.) so how would I ever find a nice British movie to watch on my spare time. With this feature I would. It would, with no doubt in my mind, make Emby much more powerful than any other services available (Hulu, Netflix, et...)

 

 


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Posted 09 July 2015 - 06:32 PM

I sometimes wonder how hell-bent some folks are on being sued by the MPAA.  The sharing you're describing is definitely not legal in the US and probably not anywhere.



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Posted 09 July 2015 - 07:25 PM

I sometimes wonder how hell-bent some folks are on being sued by the MPAA. The sharing you're describing is definitely not legal in the US and probably not anywhere.


I have to disagree, as we move into an "on demand" age, where we move further away from physical media and embrace everything being fed to us via digital media, isn't his request the equivalent to lending a friend the DVD/blu-ray/CD we ourselves purchased?

I don't know what the MPAA says on this subject, but I'm sure that's how most of us grew up, we lent out movies and music to friends all the time

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Posted 09 July 2015 - 07:34 PM

I don't know what the MPAA says on this subject, but I'm sure that's how most of us grew up, we lent out movies and music to friends all the time

 

They are completely against the concept of lending media actually. They can't stop you with physical media because they can't prove it was even shared. Digital can be tracked, even without DRM. They are already trying to convince providers to install packet sniffers to see who downloads what. I can also see them seeding copies of media into torrents to track and take action.

 

However there is merit in the User Group idea. Think of a school with hundreds of videos. They can have a groups for Science, History, English and make videos available to those groups based on content.


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Posted 09 July 2015 - 07:56 PM

I am failing to see how would that feature be any different than the current sharing feature we have implemented in Emby today. It would be on a larger scale but the concept would remain. If I can share with one friend I don't see why I couldn't share with a couple?

 

I would even go as far as Emby dev deploying the feature with a built-in group call let's say "Emby Connect". Dope name, I know :P  That group is available to everyone who has an emby server by default to join of their choosing. Imagine if Emby currently has 500,000 thousand users. And everyone decides to join. Lord have mercy  :D


Edited by breezytm, 09 July 2015 - 07:57 PM.


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Posted 09 July 2015 - 08:41 PM

It really depends. what was that web-based couch thing. that one really crossed a line and made it too easy to access illegal content. So we definitely want to continue to improve all of our features in ways that make sense, but certainly without crossing any lines. And the Amazon ban of the Kodi app is a new precedent we have to keep a careful eye on. Remember that all of these devices log all of the domains that are accessed by apps. That means if you use our app to access illegal content, we are the ones at risk of being removed from the store.

 

The media recognition feature of identifying the same content on multiple servers owned by different people and aggregating them, that might be crossing a line. Think about how that identification takes place, which is generally Imdb Id or something similar. That pretty much guarantees that it's copyrighted material. And I don't think that feature would apply to home videos so there probably isn't some generic way of handling it.



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Posted 10 July 2015 - 02:43 AM

The nuVue app accesses multiple servers via Emby Connect and reports, if configured, to show what's new across all of them.

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Posted 10 July 2015 - 03:00 AM

I have to disagree, as we move into an "on demand" age, where we move further away from physical media and embrace everything being fed to us via digital media, isn't his request the equivalent to lending a friend the DVD/blu-ray/CD we ourselves purchased?

I don't know what the MPAA says on this subject, but I'm sure that's how most of us grew up, we lent out movies and music to friends all the time

 

What they say is 'Hope you have better lawyers than us.  Ours cost 2 grand an hour and you'll be paying our legal fees when we finish.'

 

Lending is covered under fair use.  While your friend borrows your book you cant read it.  Digital sharing is treated as public performance without a license or worse, distribution of pirated content.  Emby shouldn't have anything to do with this.


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Posted 10 July 2015 - 04:01 AM

I said it at the time it launched but I find emby connect to already be on the verge of the line.
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Posted 10 July 2015 - 04:34 AM

I said it at the time it launched but I find emby connect to already be on the verge of the line.


I did as well.

It's a very grey area.

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Posted 10 July 2015 - 01:17 PM

uhmm so if i have one friend and I decide to share my library with him, that's legal, correct? However, if i am a popular guys with 500,000 friends and I decide to share my libraries with all of them while they share theirs with me, does it become illegal then? 

 

The online sharing is a grey area. Using Kodi to watch pirated movies through add-ons is illegal. Why Amazon banned Kodi app from their appstore is total b.s. How can Kodi team prevent user's from making add-ons like icefilms, 1 channel, movies25, watchonline, etc...? They really can't. They don't have any pirated related apps in their official repository. In the same token, Plex also have "icefims" and 1 channel for example and many other add-ons that offer pirated contents and their app is still being advertized with both the amazon fire tv and stick. Amazon can try to sell their none sense anyway they want but no one is buying it. 

 

Clearly they are just uspet because no one wants to use their native player and only get 2.0 stereo when you can easily download kodi and have 5.1 surround sound. 



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Posted 10 July 2015 - 01:20 PM

I would still like this feature even if it was implemented only for recommended movies, tv shows, music, etc.. without playback. I just would like a network where everyone can share their libraries and be able to discover new stuff.


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Posted 10 July 2015 - 01:23 PM

uhmm so if i have one friend and I decide to share my library with him, that's legal, correct?


You need to know copyright law in your country. I can tell you in the UK that unless you are sharing home videos it's almost certainly illegal. Not that it's not done, but it is illegal.

My view is that it's so easy to get hold of media that emby shouldn't be associated with the sharing of it

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Posted 10 July 2015 - 01:37 PM

I have a question. If I buy a movie and it says I can't give the physical media to a friend. It would be considered pirated. But I say "oh, oh well. Everyone come to my house and let's watch the movie." I invited the entire neighborhood. Is that illegal? Just curious. 



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Posted 10 July 2015 - 01:43 PM

If you invite the entire neighborhood, it is probably considered a public performance:

http://www.bitlaw.co...tml#performance

 

 

 

A performance is considered "public" when the work is performed in a "place open to the public or at a place where a substantial number of persons outside of a normal circle of a family and its social acquaintances are gathered."


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Posted 10 July 2015 - 01:49 PM

But you can lend the original media. You can't rent it but you can lend

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Posted 10 July 2015 - 03:57 PM

uhmm so if i have one friend and I decide to share my library with him, that's legal, correct?

 

Almost certainly not.  Not even a little bit.  How illegal likely varies by country but there aren't too many places you're allowed to legally allowed to share copyrighted digital content over the internet for almost any use.  Heck, just ripping your encrypted discs is an undecided legal question in the US.  There are laws allowing and denying it.  Which wins? I certainly don't know.



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Posted 10 July 2015 - 04:03 PM

I have a question. If I buy a movie and it says I can't give the physical media to a friend. It would be considered pirated. But I say "oh, oh well. Everyone come to my house and let's watch the movie." I invited the entire neighborhood. Is that illegal? Just curious. 

 

In the US they can't prevent you from sharing your physical copy of a video disc with a friend or even a stranger through licensing terms, not with the current dvd/blu-ray player design.

 

As to inviting the neighborhood, I understand it depends mostly on if there was profit involved.  Say you put on a copy of Bambi in the living room while you had a barbeque.  If you are charging for said BBQ then you are likely holding an unlicensed public performance at a commercial event.  Disney's sharks would eat your bank account.  If you were not charging for said BBQ then you're almost certainly just fine.  The public performance rules are generally there to prevent bars & other businesses from buying the 20$ copy of a movie and entertaining patrons at a profit, not to stop you from having a movie party at your house.


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Posted 10 July 2015 - 05:59 PM

In order to put this to bed I'm just going to say right now, at this point in time, we won't be implementing any such feature in the product.

 

Also, we have a strict development policy against any plug-ins or features in Emby that infringe on other's intellectual property (hence why we do not have an IMDb provider or Amazon or Netflix channels).



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Posted 11 July 2015 - 08:19 AM

I see that kodi has netflix but all it is doing is using the chrome browser to access the netflix webpage. I don't think that infringes on anything. 







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