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softworkz   3354

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Thanks for trying. I was able to log in with a different google account, but not with the one I wanted (I got logged in, but no on this site - weird).

Anyway guys, can you try again?

http://wmc.emby.media/app/

Press F5 to reload.

In case of failure, please verify that you see TWO origin trial blocks in the index.html :

 

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Sorry, it's not visible in the URL because it's the default.  So just load the URL and in dev-tools go to "Elements'".

So, it still doesn't work for you?

 

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Just to clarify: you are not supposed to register for origin trial yourself - I did that already. Maybe it doesn't accept two entries. I've removed the previous one, so you could retry (in about 5 minutes). 

I need to check out now, but I'll look at it tomorrow again!

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Like others have mentioned, I'm having connection issues when running the app on the same computer that Emby runs, using internal IP or even 127.0.0.1.

When I try using external address I have setup it works.

Just a few questions

1. Can this interface be using with Xbox or just web based?

2. What does the 3 yellow exclamation in the channel guide mean?

3. When I go into series settings, I see schedule and "seriestimer". Not sure if that is supposed to be "series timer"

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Awesome!

Just tried this on my Firestick 4k max 
sideloaded with downloader URL:  [redacted]

 

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15 hours ago, BrianSDX2 said:

I love the UI but the first thing I miss right off the bat is continue watching. We honestly use that more than anything else.

 

15 hours ago, GrimReaper said:

It's under each library "suggestions" tab.

Following above, maybe Continue Watching would warrant it's own hub on main menu, as it IS a bit clunky hunting for particular library and its suggestions just to resume content, too many clicks involved?

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45 minutes ago, GrimReaper said:

 

Following above, maybe Continue Watching would warrant it's own hub on main menu, as it IS a bit clunky hunting for particular library and its suggestions just to resume content, too many clicks involved?

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That is not in keeping with Windows Media Center. Would be better under relevant section like TV/Movies as library related.

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1 minute ago, unisoft said:

That is not in keeping with Windows Media Center. Would be better under relevant section like TV/Movies as library related.

Doesn't mean that no deviations/improvements should not be implemented. IMHO that's still too many clicks involved, but it's a viable alternative.

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16 hours ago, davedick said:

Like others have mentioned, I'm having connection issues when running the app on the same computer that Emby runs, using internal IP or even 127.0.0.1.

 

When you server is on localhost, you can use https://wmc.emby.media (and enter 'localhost').

 

16 hours ago, davedick said:

1. Can this interface be using with Xbox or just web based?

Not at the moment. For xbox, you can just use the web app. 

 

16 hours ago, davedick said:

2. What does the 3 yellow exclamation in the channel guide mean?

This means a recording error for a series recording. For a recording error of a single (non-series) recording request, you'd see a single yellow warning icon.

 

16 hours ago, davedick said:

3. When I go into series settings, I see schedule and "seriestimer". Not sure if that is supposed to be "series timer"

Yes, that's right, I created a bug entry for this: https://github.com/EmbySupport/Emby.WMC.UI/issues/4

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4 hours ago, unisoft said:
5 hours ago, GrimReaper said:

 

Following above, maybe Continue Watching would warrant it's own hub on main menu, as it IS a bit clunky hunting for particular library and its suggestions just to resume content, too many clicks involved?

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That is not in keeping with Windows Media Center. Would be better under relevant section like TV/Movies as library related.

Yup, @unisoftis right.

But what you can do is to configure the "Suggestions" tab to be the selected initially when entering a library (it's the same setting as for the regular Emby client).

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As I see it, this is EMBY UI WMC skin, not WMC, and it doesn't have to be 1:1, 0.99:1 would be just as good and amazing. I'm sure that sacrificing functionality for blindly following design guidelines form 20+ years ago is certainly not something you had in mind when creating this awesome piece; yeah, WMC was way ahead of it's time - but by no means perfect. Setting landing page is something that gets inherited system wide/in other apps (Web App most notably) and is far from satisfactory workaround; moreover, Mixed content libraries have no settable landing page - nor suggestions, for that matter, to continue watching docu movie which was literally last played item, I need 20-30 clicks (as Mixed libraries are under Others) instead of 2-3 - that's not an acceptable trade-off and quite a deal breaker, tbh.

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4 minutes ago, GrimReaper said:

As I see it, this is EMBY UI WMC skin, not WMC, and it doesn't have to be 1:1, 0.99:1 would be just as good and amazing. I'm sure that sacrificing functionality for blindly following design guidelines form 20+ years ago is certainly not something you had in mind when creating this awesome piece; yeah, WMC was way ahead of it's time - but by no means perfect. Setting landing page is something that gets inherited system wide/in other apps (Web App most notably) and is far from satisfactory workaround; moreover, Mixed content libraries have no settable landing page - nor suggestions, for that matter, to continue watching docu movie which was literally last played item, I need 20-30 clicks (as Mixed libraries are under Others) instead of 2-3 - that's not an acceptable trade-off and quite a deal breaker, tbh.

I understand what you mean, but the hurdles are high for any deviations from WMC and there are also some rules that we are following:

  • Deviations from WMC are fine when it's about Emby features for which no matching equivalent exists in WMC
    (i.e. features that WMC didn't have)
  • Deviations from WMC are also okay when prerequisites are not fulfilled on which WMC could rely on
    (for example like having an MCE remote with all the buttons, or Emby being client/server or platform not Windows, etc.)
  • Feature requests requiring extra-coding are okay when it's about doing something in a WMC way
  • Not acceptable are requests for features which WMC didn't have and which the regular Emby client doesn't have either
    We don't want to have any competition in features between the core app and the WMC UI 
    Like in the private beta, the answer will always be: Please request that feature for the regular client, then we can add it to the WMC UI (or it might even become available there automatically)

Such strong changes like start menu alterations would require broad consensus from the user base and I think it's a bit too early now to decide or draw a final conclusion on it. 
Let's see how things develop and what feedback will be given.

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2 hours ago, softworkz said:

 

When you server is on localhost, you can use https://wmc.emby.media (and enter 'localhost').

 

Not at the moment. For xbox, you can just use the web app. 

 

This means a recording error for a series recording. For a recording error of a single (non-series) recording request, you'd see a single yellow warning icon.

 

Yes, that's right, I created a bug entry for this: https://github.com/EmbySupport/Emby.WMC.UI/issues/4

Thanks

For the recording series error, would using "Don't Record Episodes Already in my Library" contribute towards that?  The shows I'm seeing the Exclaimation point all have the "Don't record if already in my library" is checked

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25 minutes ago, davedick said:

For the recording series error, would using "Don't Record Episodes Already in my Library" contribute towards that?  The shows I'm seeing the Exclaimation point all have the "Don't record if already in my library" is checked

If those episodes are actually all in your library already, then that's most likely the answer.

What does the normal Emby client show at those places - nothing?

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5 minutes ago, softworkz said:

But you tried localhost with https://wmc.... right?

Right. Tried LAN IP as well, both connecting.

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3 minutes ago, GrimReaper said:

Right. Tried LAN IP as well, both connecting.

That's weird, because only the http version is supposed to work with a LAN IP. Or was the LAN IP the IP address of the local machine? That works with https as well (it's treated the same like localhost).

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4 minutes ago, GrimReaper said:

Yep.

Thanks. I've added this to the FAQ post to clarify the situation:

Q: Which of the Web App URLs should I use - http or https ?

A: The basic rule is simple: If you connect to your server via https and a DNS name, use https://wmc.emby.media/app/ - otherwise use http://wmc.emby.media/app/ 

The https URL also works when you connect to the server via localhost, but not for other LAN IP addresses (or host names).

 

FAQ: https://emby.media/community/index.php?/topic/121189-emby-wmc-ui-faq/

 

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On 8/31/2023 at 7:21 PM, neik said:

The info is being spread: https://www.drwindows.de/news/das-windows-media-center-feiert-ein-comeback-im-emby-media-server

🙂

 

 

On 8/31/2023 at 8:45 PM, softworkz said:

Also here: https://www.thedigitalmediazone.com/2023/08/30/entertainment-2-0-627-the-return-of-windows-media-center/

Some more: Windows Media Center is coming back! – TheDigitalLifestyle.com

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