Ronstang 202 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 Well, I have MCEBuddy doing a file in H.265 right now and boy is it slow. The remuxing alone is taking half the time it takes just to convert the file to H.264, in fact it is going to take over 30 minutes just to remux when before it took a couple minutes. This may not work for me. I'd rather buy hard drives than only encode a handful of movies a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronstang 202 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 OK, I tried a different file, a recorded movie off of HDTV and it is going to take about twice as long to encode. We will see what the results are, but the audio is AC3 as I cannot figure out if I can even use MCEBuddy to create a 2 channel AAC audio stream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 24 minutes ago, Ronstang said: Well, I have MCEBuddy doing a file in H.265 right now and boy is it slow. The remuxing alone is taking half the time it takes just to convert the file to H.264, in fact it is going to take over 30 minutes just to remux when before it took a couple minutes. This may not work for me. I'd rather buy hard drives than only encode a handful of movies a day. Remuxing shouldn't be longer between AVC and HEVC as it's just a stream copy with no decode/encode. If you're doing conversions using only CPU then yes you can expect 2 to 3 times longer conversion and about the same in storage space savings. If you have a GPU which can do HEVC conversions then it's much faster than CPU conversions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronstang 202 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 I'm using hardware acceleration but handbrake is now using 100% of my cpu anyway and my computer is unusable. I could barely respond to you. They lag trying to type is horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Xmedia Recode? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 What GPU do you have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronstang 202 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 I'm still using MCEBuddy because Xmedia Recode is too confusing and I don't have all day to figure out software. I just wanted to do a quick comparison by endcoding the same movie in both H.264 and H.265. And I'm using an nVidia GeForce GT730 2G which averages about an hour to do an H.264 conversion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 That GPU will not do GPU conversations for HEVC and likely will not for AVC either. There was one variant of the card that could do GPU conversion but the quality wasn't that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronstang 202 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 Then I'm out of luck, I need hard drives more than a video card. I am assuming that my onboard Intel graphics won't either then as this is an old i5 4960K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronstang 202 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 Can you recommend me a budget friendly nVidia card that will do H.265 endcoding? I don't play games, I only care about video conversion. No AMD cards please, their driver support is garbage and I will never use one again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronstang 202 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 I definitely need a new video card......the movie I just compressed will fit on the a CD and I guarantee the H.264 version I'm doing now will be 3.5 times that size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Look at the ENCODING graph here https://developer.nvidia.com/video-encode-and-decode-gpu-support-matrix-new If looking for budget, you can likely get a GTX 1050 based board off ebay for less that $100. The turing boards should be faster than pascal boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 BTW say a 1050 on ebay for $50. Brand new GTX1060s NewEgg, Amazon & Bestbuy in the $159 range. I'd get the 1060 new if you don't mind spending that much. If you have a decent size collection to convert it will be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronstang 202 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 Where are you seeing GTX 1060's on Amazon for $159? All the ones I see are way more, even the 1050s.....now that seems to be the price average of the GTX 1650 which has the Turing chipset that you say is faster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronstang 202 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 I'm going to go buy this after dinner if you think its OK.....best price I found on a GTX 1650 and it's local so I can take it back if I don't like it. ASUS GTX 1650 at MicroCenter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Ronstang said: Where are you seeing GTX 1060's on Amazon for $159? All the ones I see are way more, even the 1050s.....now that seems to be the price average of the GTX 1650 which has the Turing chipset that you say is faster https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08BNRR5SJ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1 Of course local works as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronstang 202 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 The only difference between the one I linked is it has GDDR5 instead of GDDR6 memory......with that make a difference in video encoding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 For our purposes not much difference will be seen. Get what's convenient for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronstang 202 Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 MicroCenter has the GDDR6 upgraded version of that card for $10 more and for that money the bandwidth is almost double with lower power consumption so it's worth the money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronstang 202 Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 (edited) I opted for another $5 and got the Phoenix version with GDD6. It has a single fan with ball bearings for 2X the life and a shorter form factor which works better in an HTPC. This thing is fast compared to what I have. It's converting an HDTV recorded movie to H.265 in under 35 minutes instead of 2 hours 40 minutes in software. I'm curious to see how much faster this card is doing H.264. Edited October 28, 2020 by Ronstang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 (edited) So you ran out and got it? Tell me what you think quality wise and storage space wise how it compares for you CPU vs GPU. I had been meaning to order a 1065 myself for a month and kept forgetting about it. So I pulled the trigger on the Amazon one I linked to. Scheduled for Sat delivery but will likely get it faster. I'm going to put that in my Ember server and pull out the 750 Ti that's in there now (can't do h.265). If you're installing this in your Emby Server you might want to check out https://github.com/keylase/nvidia-patch/blob/master/win/README.md Not as hard as it might seem. Edited November 1, 2020 by cayars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronstang 202 Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 I won't want to do more then one session at a time. This thing is fast but the problem is Handbrake is still pushing the PC to %100 CPU utilization again and the PC is sluggish so I'll only be able to run conversions when I'm not using the PC for anything else besides recording because that has priority. The problem is now the PC is running hot again with the CPU averaging 90 degrees C so this machine is going to start randomly freezing again. I had it fixed but that was running H.264 conversions and that only had CPU utilization at around 65%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Don't want to sound like a dead horse you really want to try other encoders besides handbrake. It's been a while since I've even used it but I believe it has a thread count you can use with it to limit how many it will use. Lower thread count will run slower doing conversions but if you can limit the CPU to 25%-50% you might find it allows you to still use the computer while it's converting your files. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronstang 202 Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 The file I just converted using HEVC was fast at 38 minutes but the file size is as large or larger than it would be with H.264. I'm running the H.264 conversion now. The HEVC conversion I ran earlier using software only was 3.5 times smaller than the H.264 version. Looks like hardware encoding is fast because it doesn't actually do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 You will likely need to change configuration setting to optimize for 265. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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