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#21 deganza OFFLINE  

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 01:41 AM

There's a very big difference between allowing a total of 1000 clients to be able to access the server on a single license, and actually supporting 1000 simultaneous streams.

 

yes, but it's theoretically possible that 1000 clients who access the server wants to watch a movie at the same time.

But it's more a limitation of emby or of the used hardware like pir8radio described above?



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Posted 24 June 2019 - 02:43 AM

Considering embys server software has been designed, built, and tested for use by a single household of around 1-25 users. It's a really difficult question to answer without actually trying it to see how it works out.

Assuming you had the hardware capabilities to support that amount of clients; I don't immediately see why it wouldn't work, but as far as I know, Emby hasn't been tested to that extreme of a use-case. (I'm also just an end-user though)




I don't think there is much more of an answer to give until we actually put it to the test.


IMHO, you should probably look for a solution thats designed and built to be able to handle this type of use if you really wanted to serve that large a client list. But that's me. Better to use something purpose-built for a task instead of re-moulding something built for a different use.

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Posted 24 June 2019 - 03:26 AM

Considering embys server software has been designed, built, and tested for use by a single household of around 1-25 users. It's a really difficult question to answer without actually trying it to see how it works out.

Assuming you had the hardware capabilities to support that amount of clients; I don't immediately see why it wouldn't work, but as far as I know, Emby hasn't been tested to that extreme of a use-case. (I'm also just an end-user though)




I don't think there is much more of an answer to give until we actually put it to the test.


IMHO, you should probably look for a solution thats designed and built to be able to handle this type of use if you really wanted to serve that large a client list. But that's me. Better to use something purpose-built for a task instead of re-moulding something built for a different use.

 

ok, thank you very much for your feedback! 



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Posted 15 July 2019 - 08:46 PM

Another aspect is that theoretically what happend when you have 1000 clients who access the server there wants to watch content at same time, clients will install Emby on more and more devices, like tv, Mobile, might have different Computers and different browsers, so calulate 5 device per each high end user/clients, that will give you potentially 200 clients per 1000 clients accounts, so basiclly 1000 clients on Emby can/will easyli be cooked down to 200 clients, Fair to say Emby is not build for many clients, its more over a home solution for single household, i Dont even know the price of 1000 Clients.


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Posted 16 July 2019 - 01:31 AM

 

Another aspect is that theoretically what happend when you have 1000 clients who access the server there wants to watch content at same time, clients will install Emby on more and more devices, like tv, Mobile, might have different Computers and different browsers, so calulate 5 device per each high end user/clients, that will give you potentially 200 clients per 1000 clients accounts, so basiclly 1000 clients on Emby can/will easyli be cooked down to 200 clients, Fair to say Emby is not build for many clients, its more over a home solution for single household, i Dont even know the price of 1000 Clients.

 

 

Never mind. I'm looking for another solution.


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Posted 16 July 2019 - 02:52 AM

I am too



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Posted 16 July 2019 - 03:18 AM

The server software can scale to large numbers. It's really a question of what the server machine and network can handle.



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Posted 16 July 2019 - 07:47 AM

Trust me Luke i have a server 64 core Epyc with 2 TB memory, my network is very fine aswell, its not the problem, the problem is Emby changed

from Clients to devices, You simply got to greedy, i am aware you need to earn money,

But people whom paid before can have all devices they wants, i payed premiere, that will suits maximum 5 people, not more

you have a 1000 Device option people can pay for, but no online price, instead people need to take contact to ask,

my guess is not many ask for this 1000 Device account,

 

Also i guess not many understand the clients part from the devices.

 

You need to make a unlimited clients price again or you will loose people,

dont get me wrong people wanna pay, but they are not stupid.

The clients vs devices just killed everything here

ty.


Edited by Mklitgaard, 17 August 2019 - 12:25 AM.


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Posted 16 July 2019 - 07:58 AM

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#30 Mklitgaard OFFLINE  

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Posted 16 July 2019 - 08:40 AM

How can anybody push this to the limit, when its limited by Emby.


Edited by Mklitgaard, 17 August 2019 - 12:26 AM.


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Posted 16 July 2019 - 10:54 AM

How can anybody push this to the limit, when there are limited.

 

 

I'm just saying (maybe language barrier) you were using client and device differently in your message..  I kind of get what you are saying, but the licenses are for unique devices.   so if you buy a 1000 person device license and each client uses 2 devices, you can support 500 clients..    But emby works with people on licenses..     Last I checked browsers were license free, meaning you can run as many web browser sessions as you want without consuming your licenses.   That may have changed I don't know...     But the other dude wants to run an IPTV service using emby, and as @Luke says emby can scale reasonably well, but not for that situation..  What makes emby great is its transcoding and if your users are all transcoding emby has it limitations.    If all direct playing/streaming then emby can support all kinds of concurrent clients, I agree with that.     

 

I just had an issue where 1 user couldn't stream a 4k with subtitles the other day..  It's a know issue, but the point is If I was selling my emby service that would be an angry customer.     Before emby can be used as a Netflix like service, emby has to grow a little more, and they are heading in the right direction but a service like that is not the main use for emby so its going slow. Things like a separate database capability so multiple servers can access the same database server to support proper load balancing, I'm not a fan of the centralized device license check done at every start of the client either, ffmpeg works but I feel like if they did something from scratch it could be better, lots of little things, but like I said they are still developing... 

 

All of this aside 99% of the people wanting to use emby as a service, would not be doing it legally anyway...   If they had the money to support all of the media licensing costs they would have developed their own system from scratch, like Netflix. The last 1% are probably churches, schools, clubs, etc which emby can support today.  Emby does not support illegal setups, so there is no real rush to support these kind of setups.

 

I'm just an emby user and I do not represent or speak for the emby team.


Edited by pir8radio, 16 July 2019 - 10:57 AM.


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Posted 16 July 2019 - 06:24 PM

I partly agree except the part with devices most people would use more than two devices, you would never turn up with 500 clients in a 1000 Devices. 

If you did that people would start complainting as they use more and more devices but cannot login,

Have a nice day,

 

ps. my browsers are listed under devices.


Edited by Mklitgaard, 18 July 2019 - 12:57 AM.


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Posted 16 July 2019 - 07:04 PM

ps. my browsers are listed under devices.

 

 

Yes but not counted. 



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Posted 16 July 2019 - 07:23 PM

Devices are not directly reflected against premiere device limit.  Just like if a device is not used in x days it is removed from your premiere device limit (not the dashboard devices list).  So just because a user may have 5 devices does not necessarily mean they will use 5 device slots unless they are using Emby on every device daily and that is truly unlikely.



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Posted 16 July 2019 - 08:05 PM

I do understand all unique devices are counted, i have a mobile thats is one unique device, i have one laptop thats two unique devices, and i have a samsung smart tv that is tree unique devices, then i have a stationary pc that is four unique devices, used daily, now if i have clients, wouldnt it be fair to assume they also used more than 1 unique devices, most people have mobile and pc, many have a smart tv, thats why 1000 Devices sound a lot more than it actually is, becaurse fact is that the more devices usedf the less clients you can have. another thing is that i do not use emby and 4k with clients, only for myself as its to consuming the upload for 4k would be a bottleneck if i had lets say 25 clients  "125 Devices" running using 4k they would easily use upload between 450-500 Mbs many clients do not even have devices for 4k content and does not understand why they cannot run it. Last but not less, i am not complainting about Emby, i love what the Emby team do i love Emby and yes offcourse they need to earn money on there product, nobody work for free, but the point here is that Emby is not build for 1000 clients there are better programs for that, and for IPTV aswell. With Emby you gets Max 300 Clients with a 1000 Devices payment a Month. so you guys gets the point.

 

I would love a lifetime 400 or 500 devices, i would buy that today if it was possible, but a 1000 devices a Month i wouldnt even consider,

i like to pay cash, and not every Month, thats my opinion, proably not gonna happend, but i think a lot would agree.

Server with 100 clients no matter devices with IPTV should be possible on Emby, that would be more than enough for me.

 

Ty Have a nice day.


Edited by Mklitgaard, 17 August 2019 - 12:30 AM.






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