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#1 BlazedMonkey OFFLINE  

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Posted 10 March 2019 - 04:51 AM

As it stands, when I click on a movie, I can see the main movie poster, and then a long row of the cast and crew.  If I don't scroll down, I don't know there are Extras for that particular movie.  Since very few of my movies actually have extras, I don't always think to check and see if they are there.

 

Extras should be similar to "Additional Parts" in the sense that they should be listed ABOVE the cast and crew.  There needs to be a visual break in the uniformity if there is something extra, so that the user knows it is there and not just another single file movie.  There is currently no visual indication (other than scrolling down) to show that a movie has extras.

 

 

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What it looks like now:  https://imgur.com/SpnRbIh

 

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What I am describing:  https://imgur.com/Ek5okca

 

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If there are no extras for the movie, it will look exactly like the first picture, with the cast and crew at the top.

 

 

 

 

Would you rather see at a glance that there are extras, or would you rather have the bottom of your screen filled with foreheads?


Edited by BlazedMonkey, 19 March 2019 - 11:25 PM.

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Posted 10 March 2019 - 04:53 AM

Or perhaps even an indicator in the media info area


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Posted 10 March 2019 - 03:17 PM

Cast & Crew are what help you learn about a movie, which is why we feel it should be the first section after the main section.


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Posted 10 March 2019 - 05:09 PM

Cast & Crew are what help you learn about a movie, which is why we feel it should be the first section after the main section.

I can understand why you might feel that way, but I don't really think it works out that way when you consider the way we interface with the program.

The synopsis is what helps me learn about a movie. If I'm interested in learning more about a specific actor, then I will scroll down. Them being IN the movie doesn't help me learn more ABOUT the movie, and clicking on them only tells me more about the actor and their other roles, not more about that particular movie in itself.

Why is Addtional Parts above cast and crew then? The only thing additional parts tells me is to explain why the Runtime at the top of the screen is wrong...because there are additional parts.


The true crux of the issue is that there is no visual indication that a movie has Extras, unless you go out of your way to seek it out. Literally EVERY movie has a cast and crew. It is expected and known to the user that it will be there. Not every movie in a collection, and for some collections very few movies, will have extras, so it would make the most sense to highlight those things in some way when they are available. Reordering the display is the simplest way to do that. Otherwise, adding some visual indicator would be helpful, but less preferred.

You also have to consider that you have a lot more 'users' accessing Emby than you do 'server admins'. I'm not the only person accessing my library, so while I might know exactly which movies have extras (which I don't), that doesn't mean my users know which have extras. You would be surprised how many people, particularly older folks like my mom, would never even think to scroll down past the cast to look for extras. If I have to scroll past the cast and crew EVERY time to see if a movie has extras, and 95% of the time there aren't any, eventually I'm going to stop even looking for them. Conversly, if they were immediately noticeable right under the synopsis, I would ALWAYS know which movies had extras without any additional clicks. Only movies that actually HAVE extras will show the extras line, otherwise it is hidden and the cast is there like you see now.
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Posted 10 March 2019 - 05:14 PM

 

 

Why is Addtional Parts above cast and crew then? The only thing additional parts tells me is to explain why the Runtime at the top of the screen is wrong

 

Additional parts really shouldn't be there at all. It really should all just be blended into one seamless, multi-file item. But we are just not there yet with multi-file videos.

 

But I wouldn't consider that in this discussion, knowing that the ideal design would be them not being visible at all.



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Posted 10 March 2019 - 05:19 PM

Additional parts really shouldn't be there at all. It really should all just be blended into one seamless, multi-file item. But we are just not there yet with multi-file videos.

But I wouldn't consider that in this discussion, knowing that the ideal design would be them not being visible at all.


Regardless of that, the rest of my points stand.

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Posted 11 March 2019 - 09:24 AM

@Luke any response to the rest of my points?

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Posted 11 March 2019 - 09:26 AM

Hi.  We understand your point of view and it is documented here.  Now this feature request exists to see how many others feel the same way.

 

However, at this time, we feel the cast is a much higher priority item for most users.

 

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Posted 11 March 2019 - 10:41 AM

Why? Seriously. What do people use the cast for with such regularity?

 

Having to scroll paste three pages of cast & crew just to see if any extras even exist is a pain. It's unnecessary.


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Posted 11 March 2019 - 08:22 PM

Well they should be side scrolling so it wouldn't be three pages.

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Posted 12 March 2019 - 12:30 AM

It doesn't work that way on the LG TV app.


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Posted 12 March 2019 - 12:37 AM

It will be following the next app update. Thanks.


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Posted 12 March 2019 - 12:37 AM

I think extras should be displayed ABOVE the cast and crew. Usually extras contain content about the movie and is more important than knowing the casts.


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Posted 12 March 2019 - 12:18 PM

It will be following the next app update. Thanks.

There's never going to be an update for the LG app though.



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Posted 18 March 2019 - 06:08 PM

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 11:53 PM

Extras are extra, they're low priority then cast and crew. Unless you mean guest starring? To me the way they have it now seems fit.

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Posted 19 March 2019 - 01:38 AM

Extras are extra, they're low priority then cast and crew. Unless you mean guest starring? To me the way they have it now seems fit.

I mean extras. Like behind the scenes footage and gag reels, featurettes, trailers, etc. that come on the Bluray or DVD as extras.


I'm curious, what percentage of the movies in your library have extras? How can you tell at a glance that a movie has them, without constantly having to scroll down and check, every single time?

The cast is literally always there. If, and only if, there are extras, they would be above the cast, that way you could see right away when you clicked in to the movie, that extras exist. If there were no extras, that line isn't even displayed, so you wouldn't see it anyway, and the cast and crew would be right where it is now.

I highly doubt most people here have extras for EVERY movie, or even half of their movies. Literally every movie has a cast. It makes sense to shift extras up in the minority of movies where they DO exist, so that it highlights that they are there.

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Posted 19 March 2019 - 06:35 AM

I mean extras. Like behind the scenes footage and gag reels, featurettes, trailers, etc. that come on the Bluray or DVD as extras.


I'm curious, what percentage of the movies in your library have extras? How can you tell at a glance that a movie has them, without constantly having to scroll down and check, every single time?

The cast is literally always there. If, and only if, there are extras, they would be above the cast, that way you could see right away when you clicked in to the movie, that extras exist. If there were no extras, that line isn't even displayed, so you wouldn't see it anyway, and the cast and crew would be right where it is now.

I highly doubt most people here have extras for EVERY movie, or even half of their movies. Literally every movie has a cast. It makes sense to shift extras up in the minority of movies where they DO exist, so that it highlights that they are there.

I disagree - on my films that have extras, I will watch the extras once and then probably never again - much more important to me is who is in the film, especially so I can easily click on them and see their Bio and what else they have been in that I own - I prefer the ordering as it is currently.


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Posted 19 March 2019 - 08:47 AM

I disagree - on my films that have extras, I will watch the extras once and then probably never again - much more important to me is who is in the film, especially so I can easily click on them and see their Bio and what else they have been in that I own - I prefer the ordering as it is currently.


But you ignored my questions:
I'm curious, what percentage of the movies in your library have extras? How can you tell at a glance that a movie has them, without constantly having to scroll down and check, every single time?


Its not like cast and crew would just magically go away if there were extras. They would just be 1 more click down. And if the film didn't have extras, it would look exactly like it does now, with cast and crew directly below the movie.

Even some flag icon at the top would be a step ahead of where we are now, with ZERO visual indication that there are extras without manually scrolling down every single time. How are you going to watch them if you never realize they were there, because you didn't scroll down past thhe cast, and there was no visual indicator otherwise?

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Posted 19 March 2019 - 08:53 AM

Maybe show a visualization of what you feel would look cohesive to the program. Now that I know what you mean I believe you are right. Cast and crew should be there, and then perhaps a plugin or an addition should be added to the movie about page. See my movies don't automatically come with featurettes, so maybe a plugin to aide in populating those resources.




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