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tatumana

Hello,

 

For the same tv shows, I may have one or two or three different version, one folder for each version (french, sub french, sub english).

 

 

For example, for 12 Monkeys I have this structure:

 

c:/media/12 Monkeys (2015) (VF)/SAISON 01/etc..

c:/media/12 Monkeys (2015) (VOST FR)/SAISON 01/etc..

c:/media/12 Monkeys (2015) (VOST EN)/SAISON 01/etc..

 

Before, in the metadata manager (and in emby mobile app, kodi addon) all version appear distinctly.

 

Then, from the last update, all versions are mixed into one. Now it's a very big problem because I must to guess the version I want to play.

 

So please an option to deactivate completely the "Series Pooling".

 

Thank you

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tatumana

It's going to be reviewed for an upcoming release. Thank you for your patience.

 

Hello,

 

There has been three updates (3.0.6030, 3.0.6050 and 3.0.6060) but none solves the problem for now.

 

Am I the only one who does not want to use this feature?

 

When will be available the update that will disable this feature please?

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tatumana

There has been a change to only pool shows in the same library i believe

 

Yes that's what I understood.

But this feature must be an option that everyone will be free to use or not. And not imposed.

I have a specific way to manage my tv show's folder and I don't want to change.

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Yes that's what I understood.

But this feature must be an option that everyone will be free to use or not. And not imposed.

I have a specific way to manage my tv show's folder and I don't want to change.

 

What setup do you have where you have the same series spread across multiple locations in the same library and don't want them to appear as one?

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What setup do you have where you have the same series spread across multiple locations in the same library and don't want them to appear as one?

 

My configuration is simple: all my tv shows (and their versions) are in the same folder and all is on the same library.

 

c:/media/12 Monkeys (2015) (VF)

c:/media/12 Monkeys (2015) (VOST EN)

c:/media/12 Monkeys (2015) (VOST FR)

c:/media/Breaking Bad (2008) (VF)

c:/media/Breaking Bad (2008) (VOST FR)

c:/media/Better Call Saul (2015) (VOST EN)

etc, etc, etc, etc...

 

I don't want the pooling feature because:

 

- everything is mixed and I don't know what version I'm playing

- under emby web app, the season's episodes are duplicate one or two or three times (It depends on the number of versions.)

 

This a question of organization. I want to manage how I want and not how the software want.

Before the recents updates, it was perfect, all shows and their versions appear distinctly. Now it's an iTunes management. But at least in iTunes, we can turn off "auto-organise".

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I just tested the 3.0.6070 version of server (with the "Limit series pooling to same library" feature), and nothing has changed. The pooling is still there...

 

My procedure:

  1. I removed my tv shows folder from Library
  2. Launch a Clean Database
  3. Launch Scan Media Library
  4. Re-add my tv shows folder to Library
  5. Launch Scan Media Library

I'm a little.........................................................tired. Or maybe I don't understand the goal of this feature's update.

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Why not set up separate libraries for each language/subtitle arrangement, then it will work

I already thought to that but I can't because all my scripts who proceed to generate strm files will be unusable (and impossible to do otherwise).

 

Rhetorical question, why not make an option in emby server to deactivate series pooling ? That will work too.

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dcook

All these "features" should be optional, they keep making changes that cause many problems instead of just making them optional would solve everything

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All these "features" should be optional, they keep making changes that cause many problems instead of just making them optional would solve everything

 

No, that actually creates a different (and much bigger) problem for a lot of other people.

 

This may end up being something we create an explicit option for but we always have to weigh the value of every option against its cost (which is complexity for the user overall).  So options are only created when they are extremely high-value for a majority of users.

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Having drastic changes like these optional gives users the ability to use EMBY in the best manner for their needs.  

 

I don't see how that creates a much a bigger problem for a lot of other people????

 

If you want to have series pooling you can enable the option, otherwise the default is to be turned off

 

I don't see the issue?

 

 

 

 

No, that actually creates a different (and much bigger) problem for a lot of other people.

 

This may end up being something we create an explicit option for but we always have to weigh the value of every option against its cost (which is complexity for the user overall).  So options are only created when they are extremely high-value for a majority of users.

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bfir3

I understand the concern of exposing too many options, so why not do what most other software does in this situation and offer a Debug/Dev/Advanced mode for the server that exposes all of these options only when enabled. Or maybe just allow these options on Beta/Dev branches of the app. 

 

Just think about this series pooling feature for a second. It's a feature, it shouldn't be required on every Emby server. If you woke up tomorrow and Windows had updated and all of your hard drives were merged under one drive letter with no ability to easily access the separate hard drives, would you find that reasonable or would you expect to be able to disable such a feature?

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I understand the concern of exposing too many options, so why not do what most other software does in this situation and offer a Debug/Dev/Advanced mode for the server that exposes all of these options only when enabled. Or maybe just allow these options on Beta/Dev branches of the app. 

 

If there is a person in the world that doesn't immediately enable advanced functions and starting clicking crap they don't understand I haven't met them in my 25 years of software support.

 

Making someone click a button to access all the settings they don't understand does not save support time, I promise you.

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If there is a person in the world that doesn't immediately enable advanced functions and starting clicking crap they don't understand I haven't met them in my 25 years of software support.

 

Making someone click a button to access all the settings they don't understand does not save support time, I promise you.

 

Then make it so that a user can enable the setting by modifying an xml file or something. It's so ridiculous that the reason to not have these options is because people might use them and post about problems that they don't understand because they don't understand the features. 

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Then make it so that a user can enable the setting by modifying an xml file or something. It's so ridiculous that the reason to not have these options is because people might use them and post about problems that they don't understand because they don't understand the features. 

 

That isn't the reason.

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Then make it so that a user can enable the setting by modifying an xml file or something. It's so ridiculous that the reason to not have these options is because people might use them and post about problems that they don't understand because they don't understand the features. 

 

That doesn't address the problem that when options exist in a product that aren't necessary for the vast majority of users, granting them control over those options generates posts as misconfigured servers then don't behave as the user expects.  That eats up support time.

 

Looking at it from EBR's perspective you have a function people have begged for, series pooling, that isn't handling some specific use cases well.  Making the option configurable is one possibility but not necessarily the only one.  Just as an example, if someone has a series where they keep copies of the show in several languages and resolutions is it possible to change the server to handle that better so that a user can easily select the version they want when playing the episode while still leaving the pooling function on?  The answer could very well be no, they need to add an option for this, but they have shown they prefer to think it through and err on the side of simplicity for users.

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I guess I just don't see the risk in letting users continue to manage their libraries how they always did before the Series Pooling feature came into existence. If they didn't have problems using it as such before, why would they now?

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I agree with having the option to disable it. It could be enabled by default, to keep the masses happy, but for those who have more complex libraries, they can opt out. Doesn't that sound simple enough? Bury the setting so it's not immediately apparent, and it's not accidentally deselected. Wouldn't that be a good solution?

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I guess I just don't see the risk in letting users continue to manage their libraries how they always did before the Series Pooling feature came into existence. If they didn't have problems using it as such before, why would they now?

 

Users complained pretty regularly about having to have every episode of a TV show on the same drive, in the same folder structure.  The old answer of 'manage this outside Emby' wasn't popular.  I din't have an issue with it but plenty did.

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tatumana

With this feature, you touch to the database management. You can not impose a way of managing a database. You can improve performance of the database but not how to organize it.

 

To resume the idea bfir3, I'll take an even more simple. Imagine this forum (or an other) where all post are merged into one because the developers, who released the update, felt that it was better that way. Would not you not a little taken aback?

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