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#1 Starkadius OFFLINE  

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 11:00 AM

In the MBT roadmap this is listed "Mapping the Info button on MCE remotes. For now, use * to pull up the OSD", had I not read this I would never have known how to access the OSD which is needed in order to change audio/subtitles. It has been mentioned that MBT is being geared towards being easy to use, I suggest having a button somewhere while the item is playing when the 'Now Playing' screen is triggered to quickly access the OSD in case we don't have a remote or having to press the * key.

 

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 11:18 AM

Not knocking the idea. but where would this 'button' exist and how would it be accessed if not via a keyboard or remote?



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Posted 21 November 2013 - 05:23 PM

Not knocking the idea. but where would this 'button' exist and how would it be accessed if not via a keyboard or remote?

 

This would not replace the option of using the remote but it would be an addition to that. Also in the first image I highlighted in red an example of where it could appear, in this case it would appear along with the now playing options.



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Posted 21 November 2013 - 06:12 PM

Appreciate where you might want to place the 'button'. but my question still stands 'how will you access that 'button'.

 

Unlikely users will want immediate access from the 'now playing' screen on initial playback, but possibly at some point during the movie/tv show. Without having a means to access the button, the user can't get to it to activate the OSD, in other words they would have to get to an OSD of some kind to get to the OSD.

 

Maybe I'm missing something, or perhaps over complicating the issue and my thoughts are based purely on Luke's comments that the interface is likely to be 'remote' driven, with little attention being given to mouse control.



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Posted 21 November 2013 - 06:29 PM

If you hover the mouse or move the directional keys on a remote, the Now Playing menu appears as the movie/tv show is playing revealing the pause/stop/forward/back buttons. This behavior is universal in every media player (media center, plex, xbmc, windows media player etc) out there and it does not matter what input device you have. It can be activated by simply moving the mouse cursor, touching the screen or pressing some random key while the player is in focus. This "Now playing" screen DOES appear immediately in MBT when playing an item actually so a simple button somewhere in there should suffice for those users using a wireless keyboard with trackpad combo while sitting on the couch and have no idea that pressing the * key activates the OSD. Right now the OSD is completely hidden unless you have the Info button mapped to a remote or a keyboard AND know that the * key brings it up.



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Posted 21 November 2013 - 06:55 PM

Plex Media Center and XMBC which is what Media Browser Theater is directly competing against have button(s) for the subtitle and audio options that are directly accessible from the 'Now playing' screen. We can either have multiple buttons like Plex and XBMC already do (subtitle, audio and scenes) or have one button 'OSD' that gives access to all of those options and having a more minimalist approach.

 

Plex Media Center - Now Playing Screen

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Media Browser Theater - Now Playing Screen
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Posted 21 November 2013 - 11:03 PM

MediaBrowser Server Web Client

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MediaBrowser Theater - Now playing Mockup#1 (3 buttons: Audio, Subtitle, Scenes)

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MediaBrowser Theater - Now playing Mockup#2 (1 button: OSD)

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 01:10 PM

Have not seen this thread before :) but i do agree with having a "settings" button somewhere when the ui is triggered for changing audio-track subtitles etc!

But i think this should be lower down the prio-list, and we all know that MBT is very very early in it's life cycle.

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Posted 04 January 2015 - 10:12 PM

 

At around 2min 30 sec the Audio/Subtitle OSD access can be seen running on Plex Home Theater. This feature would really make MB Theater more accessible.



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Posted 06 January 2015 - 12:42 PM

At around 2min 30 sec the Audio/Subtitle OSD access can be seen running on Plex Home Theater. This feature would really make MB Theater more accessible.

 

I agree wholeheartedly. The ability to quickly toggle/change subtitles and audio tracks is the one big gaping hole in MBT right now, IMO.



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Posted 07 January 2015 - 10:12 PM

+1, this is needed!



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Posted 07 January 2015 - 11:34 PM

I agree wholeheartedly. The ability to quickly toggle/change subtitles and audio tracks is the one big gaping hole in MBT right now, IMO.


you can quickly do it, but it does require you map the * key to your remote.

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Posted 07 January 2015 - 11:46 PM

you can quickly do it, but it does require you map the * key to your remote.

 

Yeah I mentioned that in the first post but thats precisely the point, we want a visual button for that option. This would open up MB Theater for mouse usage or even tablets.



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Posted 08 January 2015 - 12:14 AM

Yeah I mentioned that in the first post but thats precisely the point, we want a visual button for that option. This would open up MB Theater for mouse usage or even tablets.


I know you did. But I couldn't tell from jluce50's comment if he picked up on that.

The issue I see right now with the visual option, is currently there would not be a way to select it using a remote. With plex and xbmc you can use the remote arrow keys to move around in the navigation menu, so no problem arrowing over to the visual button. As far as I can tell, there is no way to do this with the MBT navigation menu.

I guess it would be fine if you are more concerned with mouse navigation, though that isn't really what MBT is designed for. Agreed it would be handy for tablets.

Edited by foghat, 08 January 2015 - 12:18 AM.


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Posted 08 January 2015 - 01:07 AM

The issue I see right now with the visual option, is currently there would not be a way to select it using a remote. With plex and xbmc you can use the remote arrow keys to move around in the navigation menu, so no problem arrowing over to the visual button. As far as I can tell, there is no way to do this with the MBT navigation menu.

I guess it would be fine if you are more concerned with mouse navigation, though that isn't really what MBT is designed for. Agreed it would be handy for tablets.

 

If there is currently no way of selecting it with a remote or via arrow keys why are there other(skip, rewind, pause, stop, forward etc) visual buttons in place?

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The only reason Media Browser Classic (Media Browser 2) did not have a button was because of the limitation that Media Center imposed. This has been talked about here and here. Users have been wanting a way of doing this on MBC and now on MBT. The difference is that MBT is being built from scratch and it CAN be implemented at some point.

 

Since Plex Home Theater and XMBC/Kodi both have the OSD button, why can't MBT? It doesn't make any sense to me that this one button was overlooked.

 

 

Edit: Found more posts with users asking about this in MBC

 

http://mediabrowser....rn-subs-on-off/

http://mediabrowser....rowser-classic/


Edited by Starkadius, 08 January 2015 - 01:18 AM.

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Posted 08 January 2015 - 04:05 AM

Anyone know if mbt has a keyboard shortcut to change subtitles and other functions..thanks.

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Posted 08 January 2015 - 09:07 AM

If there is currently no way of selecting it with a remote or via arrow keys why are there other(skip, rewind, pause, stop, forward etc) visual buttons in place?
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So you could could select them with a mouse or touch? Try it with a remote, you cannot navigate them. At least not that I can see, if you figure it out, please post back. Again, I am not saying this is a bad idea, just that it may not be (due to no remote nav) a simple as it seems or, in the nav's current implementation, even solve the problem for remote users (which I assume are the majority).

Heck, I can't even see a way to bring the nav up using a remote (without actually pausing, skipping, etc) to just view how much time is left in the movie.

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Posted 08 January 2015 - 09:09 AM

Anyone know if mbt has a keyboard shortcut to change subtitles and other functions..thanks.


You can hit the * to bring up the osd. From there you can view movie info, actors, change audio and select sub title track.

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Posted 08 January 2015 - 09:52 AM

You can hit the * to bring up the osd. From there you can view movie info, actors, change audio and select sub title track.

 

thanks what i should have asked is .does mbt have a set of keyboard inputs to change subtitles...eg ctrl-S or some such...that i can use an android remote ..to pipe the commands to mbt..



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Posted 08 January 2015 - 02:03 PM

I haven't used MBT with a remote yet, waiting for all my parts before I can build my HTPC, so just testing out the different media centers on my desktop. Question:

 

Are you guys saying that the skip/stop/play buttons cannot be used with the navigation buttons and select button that pretty much every remote has? You can only skip/play/pause with the actual buttons on the remote? Why is that?

 

If you could press the 'select' or equivalent button to bring up OSD then be able to navigate the skip/stop/play buttons with the navigation buttons on the remote ‚Äčand the new audio and subtitle button that would be ideal.


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