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#21 StealthDefender OFFLINE  

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Posted 13 February 2015 - 06:55 PM

Sorry but this make no sense in my opinion.
This structure would be a mess in folder view ( on data grab )!
Most Movies within a Set are different names, not all movies are super numbered like title1 tiltle2 title3 etc....
For me and i think many others the best way to be organized is to collect movies in folders, like Star Wars or Star Trek. They are huge and so they are sorted!
Why is this a problem to let some features as they are, why not let them as an option.
I think a plugin for this essential thing is opsolete.!
To create a title collection [BoxSet] folder is faster and less confusing than manually create a collection! Many Collections ( Special Collections of Artists or something ) are not in the imdb or tmdb database......
Sorry for be a little fustrated about that, i came to mediabrowser because its features and community but with less features every update the plus is gone!
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Posted 13 February 2015 - 07:06 PM

I don't think ebr said it was purposefully taken out, just maybe overlooked since it's a legacy option.  Hopefully it will come back in the future.



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Posted 13 February 2015 - 08:03 PM

I wholeheartedly agree with StealthDefender. The [boxset] folder is much, much (yes, that is two(2) muchs) more flexible!



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Posted 13 February 2015 - 09:28 PM

the [boxset] convention is supported in the sense that we'll recognize it as a boxset, grab metadata, and that's about it. we are unlikely to do any further development on them, so as new features are added to the new style of boxsets, the only way the folder-based boxsets will get them is if it happens to just work automatically.



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Posted 13 February 2015 - 11:17 PM

Luke is right that it will probably work...until it doesn't any more.  Deprecated features in software get broken without noticing all the time.  The break gets released and it ultimately doesn't get fixed because it's prettyrare there is so little going on in development of an app that they'll go back and fix something that barely gets used.  That's a common thing in the industry, not a specific comment on this project.

 

Do things the supported way and you'll generally be happier in the long run.



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Posted 14 February 2015 - 12:28 AM

...it's prettyrare there is so little going on in development of an app that they'll go back and fix something that barely gets used.

 

 

Are you sure that it is barely used? Are you sure that users wouldn't prefer the [boxset] approach if they had a choice? Just as discussion brought about the advent of the current implementation, further discussion may bring back the [boxset]/collection.xml  implementation.



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Posted 14 February 2015 - 01:29 AM

Are you sure that it is barely used? Are you sure that users wouldn't prefer the [boxset] approach if they had a choice? Just as discussion brought about the advent of the current implementation, further discussion may bring back the [boxset]/collection.xml  implementation.

 

Since I remember the conversation around it, as I was a user of the folder method too, yes, I'm sure.  The folks that posted in the discussion overwhelmingly preferred the approach that required them to do absolutely no work in managing folders.



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Posted 14 February 2015 - 01:57 AM

What discussion? Doesn't matter. You like the current implementation, some of us don't. Let's agree to disagree.The discussion/politicing continues.



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Posted 14 February 2015 - 03:23 AM

Well if you want a third fully tested and supported method of creating box sets, particularly one that the community already tried and rejected as too much extra effort, it could help to explain what problem you're trying to solve in the existing methods.

 

In the existing method you organize all films the same way and then run a plugin or manually create a boxset.  In this method you have to create a different folder structure for movies in boxsets and then still run a plugin or create boxsets by hand.  What are you gaining with the extra work?  Perhaps that's a benefit that merits a feature request.



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Posted 14 February 2015 - 05:00 AM

Ok i take it as it is, dont think its the right way but makes no sense i think!

Beside the [BoxSet] discussion the collection show not correctly in views.

When i go under genres or latest movies the are all seperatly not collapsed.

No mather how they are created! Is this the will of the developers or a bug?

Greetz Stealth



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Posted 14 February 2015 - 01:50 PM

Ok i take it as it is, dont think its the right way but makes no sense i think!

Beside the [BoxSet] discussion the collection show not correctly in views.

When i go under genres or latest movies the are all seperatly not collapsed.

No mather how they are created! Is this the will of the developers or a bug?

Greetz Stealth

 

Correct, the collections don't show when looking on the latest or genres tabs.  They also dont show when looking at the Movies tab if you filter the view in any way.  Think I'll log an enhancement for continuing to collapse things into collection on the genre tab and in filtered movies tabs.  Latest I'm not so sure about personally but someone else can certainly request it.



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Posted 17 February 2015 - 02:56 AM

Correct, the collections don't show when looking on the latest or genres tabs.  They also dont show when looking at the Movies tab if you filter the view in any way.  Think I'll log an enhancement for continuing to collapse things into collection on the genre tab and in filtered movies tabs.  Latest I'm not so sure about personally but someone else can certainly request it.

So, i ve tested around a liitle bit for myself. It makes realy no sense which method i use to create a collection there are several bugs in this.

In "collections" all is fine and the sets shown correctly! But in all the other views like "all movie", "genre", "newest" etc the collections appear and dissappear every time i get in!

Tetsted on the actual beta and public relese of the server.

Greetz Stealth



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Posted 17 February 2015 - 03:58 AM

It is not a bug it is on purpose as not all items in a collection may be latest or the same genre or whatever the sort /filter may be so media Browser list's the individual items

Edited by Vidman, 17 February 2015 - 04:01 AM.


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Posted 17 February 2015 - 04:35 AM

It is not a bug it is on purpose as not all items in a collection may be latest or the same genre or whatever the sort /filter may be so media Browser list's the individual items

Ok this seems clear, i don´t see this in that way :D .

But beside of that often the collections appear and dissappear unter "all movies", no matterif i use the old "BoxSet" tag or the built in collection feature.



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Posted 17 February 2015 - 05:54 PM

Ok this seems clear, i don´t see this in that way :D .

But beside of that often the collections appear and dissappear unter "all movies", no matterif i use the old "BoxSet" tag or the built in collection feature.

 

In the web UI movies will group into collections under Movies > Movies if the user account used to log in has the "Group Movies Into Collections" box ticked.  The collections will not be shown under Movies > Genres or under Movies > Movies with any filters applied.

 

If you are using a different client check if the problem exists in the Web UI.  If not, report the issue in the forum for that client.

 

If you're seeing a different behavior than this in the web UI I'd start with providing some screenshots of what you're seeing.



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Posted 18 February 2015 - 04:48 AM

I have my file system set up with grouped collections:

 

Movie1

   Movie1.mkv

Collection1

   Movie2

      Movie2.mkv

   Movie3

      Movie3.mkv

   Collection1.xml

Movie4

   Movie4.mkv

 

The collections show up in metadata manager with the appropriate TheMovieDB ID and in the collections view in the Web UI but are not grouped into collections in the Movies view in the Web UI even though "Group Movies Into Collections" box is ticked and no filters are applied. They do get grouped as collections in MBC with Subdued theme in the Movies view. They do not get grouped into collections in Kodi with the Titan skin in All Movies view with the group in collections option selected in that skin. This is in the server version 5518.2 and 5518.3. 

 

I am using the legacy views in MBC. So I am wondering if the folder method is already seeing issues with the latest server releases. It was asked earlier what is wrong with just moving to the new way and the problem is now those that have from the start just set up their folders in an organized manner now have to redo everything so what was easy to begin with if started in an organized way now requires extra work to redo to the supported unorganized format it seems.


Edited by sasaba, 18 February 2015 - 05:04 AM.

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Posted 18 February 2015 - 05:28 AM

I have my file system set up with grouped collections:

 

Movie1

   Movie1.mkv

Collection1

   Movie2

      Movie2.mkv

   Movie3

      Movie3.mkv

   Collection1.xml

Movie4

   Movie4.mkv

 

The collections show up in metadata manager with the appropriate TheMovieDB ID and in the collections view in the Web UI but are not grouped into collections in the Movies view in the Web UI even though "Group Movies Into Collections" box is ticked and no filters are applied.

I just noticed this broke in 5518.3 but still works in 5490.2.  Now only the collections created by plugins show in movie list in current beta.

 

Correction just restarted server with 5490.2 for an update and now they are not grouped.  But the only update was Coverart 4.0.7.6. 


Edited by Happy2Play, 18 February 2015 - 06:40 AM.


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Posted 18 February 2015 - 10:59 AM

I just noticed this broke in 5518.3 but still works in 5490.2.  Now only the collections created by plugins show in movie list in current beta.

 

Correction just restarted server with 5490.2 for an update and now they are not grouped.  But the only update was Coverart 4.0.7.6. 

 

Note that is collections created by the plugin OR collections created in the UI manually.  I don't use the plugin but my manually created collections work just fine.

 

TMDB and I occasionally disagree on what should constitute a collection :)



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Posted 21 February 2015 - 02:44 PM

In the web UI movies will group into collections under Movies > Movies if the user account used to log in has the "Group Movies Into Collections" box ticked.  The collections will not be shown under Movies > Genres or under Movies > Movies with any filters applied.

 

If you are using a different client check if the problem exists in the Web UI.  If not, report the issue in the forum for that client.

 

If you're seeing a different behavior than this in the web UI I'd start with providing some screenshots of what you're seeing.

Today updated to last official release, collection problem already exists!

No mather which method i use to create a collection they only show under the "collection" tag, under "Movies" they are don´t!

And no i have no filters ticked and yes Collections are enabled in webui settings.

Greetz Stealth

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Posted 21 February 2015 - 04:50 PM

The only way I was able to get collections (boxsets) to show up anywhere except in MBC with legacy views was to go into each of my collection folders (the actual hard drive folders) and remove the collection.xml file then either manually (in WebUI) or using Auto Boxsets plugin recreate the boxsets. So it looks like the legacy folder method of defining boxsets is broken except in limited circumstances where special provisions have been made to continue to recognize the legace view system. Had already done this before 5518.7 server version came out so can't say if would have made any difference. 







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