subtitle. hard to believe how annoying that can be

[supermood 59]

will there be EVER a standard setting for external srt subs on android / atv / lg tv??

ever??

I wrote that already 100 times it's so ANNOYING to ALWAYS select.

100 times!!! UNBELIEVABLE I'M WRITING THAT AGAIN. 

how to keep your user busy? do it like that.down up up enter down down down down down enter EVERY 20 min watching big bang. for every single pice you watch. every time. always. 

is it so hard? you offer a service to download srts server side!! and even then they are not selected in standard!! 

 this is the worst grade in ui/ux and it's like this for at least 8 years

you implement so much xxx for what do I know but playing videos (your core core CORE functionality is some kind of vlc was better 10 years ago. 

not to mention, more sub sizes between small and normal or size settings in the  player... 

sometimes you have to press down 30 times!! because sure, the own srts are ALWAYS the last entries 

 

really really bad!! imho

 

[GrimReaper 3973]

41 minutes ago, supermood said:

how to keep your user busy? do it like that.down up up enter down down down down down enter EVERY 20 min watching big bang. for every single pice you watch. every time. always. 

While personally wouldn't mind having external/srt subs listed first in the subtitle selection dropdown, chances are one's "own" subtitles are more likely to be internal ones: those that are generally muxed when you make a backup of your own content, Blu-Rays, DVDs or else - or have a Live TV recording that has them in-built, so I assume considerable portion of the userbase would still prefer having embedded subs listed first. 

That said, as for:

41 minutes ago, supermood said:

you offer a service to download srts server side!! and even then they are not selected in standard!! 

With all conditions being equal, external subs are/should be always preferred/pre-selected - with the emphasis on "all conditions being equal", as that heavily depends on you properly naming and flagging your subtitles - and, ultimately, on "Subtitle mode" selected. 

Edited August 2, 2024 by GrimReaper

[supermood 59]

5 minutes ago, GrimReaper said:

While personally wouldn't mind having external/srt subs listed first in the subtitle selection dropdown, chances are your "own" subtitles are more likely to be internal ones: those that are generally muxed when you make a backup of your own content, Blu-Rays, DVDs or else - or make a Live TV recording that has them in-built, so I assume considerable portion of the userbase would still prefer having embedded subs listed first. 

That said, as for:

With all conditions being equal, external subs are always preferred/pre-selected - with the emphasis on "all conditions being equal", as that heavily depends on you properly naming and flagging your subtitles - and, ultimately, on "Subtitle mode" selected. 

maybe you should watch something from time time??!  

1. I don't want the subs provided with my bluaray that's one of the reasons I'm converting all that to hdd. I don't want hi and don't want pictured subs and and and.. for that we have the possibility to download and customize perfect srts 

2. the external srts (movie / tv show name.en.srt or without en are NEVER choosen directly!! never! and there's no better naming I guess. not in auto not in smart not in xxx I've tried every possible emby setting and combination x times. even that is fast then being here in that forum and writing it x times again again 

[GrimReaper 3973]

3 minutes ago, supermood said:

maybe you should watch something from time time??! 

Maybe you should watch your tone from time to time, especially when addressing a moderator? 

7 minutes ago, supermood said:

2. the external srts (movie / tv show name.en.srt or without en are NEVER choosen directly!! never! and there's no better naming I guess. not in auto not in smart not in xxx I've tried every possible emby setting and combination x times. even that is fast then being here in that forum and writing it x times again again 

I can understand the frustration, but as a foreign citizen, both myself and my household are using external subtitles heavily, and the only few times I've had an issue - it was due to some of my own oversight/misconfiguration. 

So, depending how deep you're willing to dig into your issue and provide specific examples, it might (or might not) lead to some solution. 

[supermood 59]

hey yes I should. you're right. sorry. but independent of moderator or not..

and yes I'm frustrated. it's a constant repeating workflow without any fun and without any sense. I hate that combo 

we had that topic x times already. really. it's not rocket science. I appreciate you want to help!!! but how? that setting is missing to use srt as default every time and I don't care maybe even independent of language and srt language. both English here, always. 

my library is in a good condition. I have that problem everytime! with 15tb

 

 

 

[GrimReaper 3973]

Great, that's a start. 

Do you maybe have MediaInfo installed? Could you show output/embedded subs (and their flags) for one of those episodes? Alternatively, you can post a screenshot of MediaInfo section of episode detail page (scroll to the very bottom) where English embedded subs are visible? 

Also, what is your "Subtitle mode" set to? 

Edited August 2, 2024 by GrimReaper

[supermood 59]

4 minutes ago, GrimReaper said:

Great, that's a start. 

Do you maybe have MediaInfo installed? Could you show output/embedded subs (and their flags) for one of those episodes? Alternatively, you can post a screenshot of MediaInfo section of episode detail page (scroll to the very bottom) where English embedded subs are visible? 

Also, what is your "Subtitle mode" set to? 

you mean the Plugin to get atmos dtsx dv information that's running. how do I show the output? you mean here from server dashboard?

I only have direct play the new synology nas are without gpu and I never needed transcoding. and I don't want it... it's off. since ever. 

on the lg sub mode is default. earlier it was set to always play subs

 

[GrimReaper 3973]

No, not the plugin, the underlying software that plugin relies on. But nvm, section from Emby should suffice. 

No, not Dashboard Now Playing section:

14 minutes ago, GrimReaper said:

episode detail page

one where overview, cast etc. etc. are listed, scroll down to About section, scroll all the way to the bottom, MediaInfo cards for all the tracks (video, audio, subtitles) will be listed. 

[supermood 59]

3 minutes ago, GrimReaper said:

No, not the plugin, the underlying software that plugin relies on. But nvm, section from Emby should suffice. 

No, not Dashboard Now Playing section:

one where overview, cast etc. etc. are listed, scroll down to About section, scroll all the way to the bottom, MediaInfo cards for all the tracks (video, audio, subtitles) will be listed. 

sorry got it. here you go. screenshot doesn't cover all you see in the list in my first screenshot I have the last one and my srt on it 

the first pgssub subtitle has a default flag. but definitely not from me

 

[GrimReaper 3973]

1 minute ago, supermood said:

the first pgssub subtitle has a default flag. but definitely not from me

That's what I wanted to check:

22 minutes ago, GrimReaper said:

Could you show output/embedded subs (and their flags)

Hence, conditions are not equal - so you should make them so. Either removing flag from embedded sub - or renaming external sub to:

xxxxx.en.default.srt

Scan media library.

If your renamed subs for already watched episode: click "Clear saved track selection" in user subtitle settings. Then check the episode you've renamed subtitles for. 

If you renamed then for unwatched episode: just check which subs are preselected now. 

[supermood 59]

1 minute ago, GrimReaper said:

That's what I wanted to check:

Hence, conditions are not equal - so you should make them so. Either removing flag from embedded sub - or renaming external sub to:

xxxxx.en.default.srt

Scan media library.

If your renamed subs for already watched episode: click "Clear saved track selection" in user subtitle settings. Then check the episode you've renamed subtitles for. 

If you renamed then for unwatched episode: just check which subs are preselected now. 

so there is a solution. unbelievable!!

thanks! but how do I remove the default  flag? and I'm not sure I can rename a trillion subs in a 15tb library? 

the other player via kodi (my emby lib) or zidoo are always using directly the external srt. I hoped that setting will come to emby at some point 

[GrimReaper 3973]

8 minutes ago, supermood said:

but how do I remove the default  flag?

Using external tool of your preference (like mkvtoolnix). 

8 minutes ago, supermood said:

and I'm not sure I can rename a trillion subs in a 15tb library? 

That shouldn't be too hard, again using some batch-renamer (like this one: search for *.en.srt on OS level, drag them to AR, rename to *.en.default.srt, via regex or just by inserting word "default" at the end), you can literally do all of them in one go. 

Edit: Using a script is also an option, ChatGPT might come in handy there. 

Edited August 2, 2024 by GrimReaper

[Neminem 791]

Just wanted to input here.

then  I use Tdarr remove subtitled from my media.

SRT / text subs are more usable a cross clients.

[supermood 59]

6 minutes ago, GrimReaper said:

Using external tool of your preference (like mkvtoolnix). 

That shouldn't be too hard, again using some batch-renamer (like this one: search for *.en.srt on OS level, drag them to AR, rename to *.en.default.srt, via regex or just by inserting word "default" at the end), you can literally do all of them in one go. 

Edit: Using a script is also an option, ChatGPT might come in handy there. 

yes if a batch rename is sufficient I will def try that! THANKS!!

I thought I also habe to remove the default from the existing subs. I will not use mkvtool for all my media I have a life beside media management

 

as said, with all other player I have no issue at all so I thought... 

 

[supermood 59]

3 minutes ago, jaycedk said:

Just wanted to input here.

then  I use Tdarr remove subtitled from my media.

SRT / text subs are more usable a cross clients.

thanks! heard of it. but it costs if you want to use batch processing? and anyway. my nas will explode if I start that for all media.. 

[GrimReaper 3973]

6 minutes ago, supermood said:

yes if a batch rename is sufficient I will def try that!

It should be, just keep in mind:

1 hour ago, GrimReaper said:

that heavily depends on you properly naming and flagging your subtitles - and, ultimately, on "Subtitle mode" selected.

Some of your embedded subs might have "forced" flag as well (depending what type they are), so pre-selection will also depend on:

1 hour ago, GrimReaper said:

"Subtitle mode" selected.

 

Edited August 2, 2024 by GrimReaper

[Neminem 791]

It can be used for free if you only use 1 node ( server it self )

Its just a remux if you need to remove, its pretty fast.

 

 

[supermood 59]

37 minutes ago, GrimReaper said:

It should be, just keep in mind:

Some of your embedded subs might have "forced" flag as well (depending what type they are), so pre-selection will also depend on:

 

I've renamed 7000 srts and cleared the track selection. which mode now? always I guess? 

lib is scanning. thrilling! 

but this solution is not for the future. new subs are not named with default in the name. I don't see a setting for it. 

so still hoping for a player setting.. 

[GrimReaper 3973]

3 minutes ago, supermood said:

I've renamed 7000 srts and cleared the track selection. which mode now? always I guess? 

That entirely depends on your preference and under which conditions you'd want subs to display - hence the several options. But yes, personally I have them on "Always show" permanently. 

5 minutes ago, supermood said:

but this solution is not for the future. new subs are not named with default in the name. I don't see a setting for it. 

Nope, it is not permanent solution when consuming media encoded without being particular or not having control over it. You can strip the subs flag yourself or run a batch rename regularly/at certain intervals. 

[supermood 59]

I always want my srts as well. 

or emby could implement that basic setting like other... 

[GrimReaper 3973]

Sure, you can lend your support here:

Edit: It covers both of your requirements:

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2.  Add a setting to 1) prefer embedded subtitles or 2. prefer external subtitle files when the apps choose to automatically load subtitles

3.  Add a display setting to display external subtitle files above embedded subtitles.  As you can see in the image above, there's a lot of embedded subtitles that i don't care about and always have external subtitles for all of my movies.  I would rather see my local subtitle listed on top instead of scrolling all the way to the bottom to find the external subtitle"

 

Edited August 2, 2024 by GrimReaper
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[supermood 59]

there are already 100 of these external sub posts.

I don't think that makes sense like this. it's not a feature request. I would consider that very very basic. 

let's not forget emby even provides a download functionality so why not setting the external sub as default.. 

[GrimReaper 3973]

5 minutes ago, supermood said:

it's not a feature request. I would consider that very very basic.

That's something for the Devs to comment on but yes, whenever you'd like to see something implemented that's not already there - it falls under Feature Requests. Support/reactions to the same is one of the metrics (not exclusively) upon which decision to further develop/allocate resources/implement it is judged upon. 

Edited August 2, 2024 by GrimReaper

[Q-Droid 854]

Looking at that first image in the thread, shouldn't at the very least subs for the user's default language be a the top of the list? I mean, that's basic UI/UX 101.

[Luke 39633]

1 hour ago, Q-Droid said:

Looking at that first image in the thread, shouldn't at the very least subs for the user's default language be a the top of the list? I mean, that's basic UI/UX 101.

Depends on your viewpoint. Someone else might say just basic 101 to have them alphabetical or in original track order and nobody would be equivocally right or wrong.