Completed user prompt

[rbjtech 4922]

On 30/04/2024 at 23:08, ebr said:

Yes.

I don't think it is in the world of media apps.  With Netflix or Amazon etc. you log in once and then never again on that device (unless you explicitly log out).

Yes - but you are also potentially not the Admin on Netflix or Amazon either , nor can you remain logged in with 'multiple accounts' active - there is always some form of authorisation when you re-load the app.

I get emby are trying to limit the impact of the 'no password' for local accounts - but you simply cannot mislead users into retaining credentials/tokens that, given the direct wording,  you have been explicitely been asked not to.

If storage/re-use of the credentials is implied (which I believe it is on an app such as this, I agree here) then any tick box is going to be for deviating from that implied logic.   ie do NOT save my credentials, informing (not implying) that you will need to login again next time.    If you don't have any box at all - then saving them is implied - and that is fine.

[Luke 39654]

On 5/12/2024 at 12:06 PM, darkassassin07 said:

No Luke. No.

 

Not checking 'remember me' means the user should not be remembered. Period.

What if I don't have a pin set?

Then it would go back to the normal login process.

[darkassassin07 604]

37 minutes ago, Luke said:

Then it would go back to the normal login process.

Just gonna trim off the other half of that response/question and ignore it?

[ebr 15579]

On 5/12/2024 at 12:06 PM, darkassassin07 said:

Not checking 'remember me' means the user should not be remembered. Period.

In a media app meant for convenience, I don't really agree.  I think full authentication should only be required once on each device unless someone specifically "logs out" of it (just like with Netflix etc.).

So, in this context, we are treating "Remember me" to mean don't ask who to sign in next time - sign me back in.  We can potentially rename the option but this is a valid interpretation of that IMO.

[crusher11 946]

It's not how that checkbox works on any other site on the entire internet.

[Junglejim 383]

On 17/05/2024 at 04:26, ebr said:

In a media app meant for convenience, I don't really agree.  I think full authentication should only be required once on each device unless someone specifically "logs out" of it (just like with Netflix etc.).

So, in this context, we are treating "Remember me" to mean don't ask who to sign in next time - sign me back in.  We can potentially rename the option but this is a valid interpretation of that IMO.

Netfilx has one account, sure you can have a few profiles depending on how big your family is. Also netfilx will always present you with a selection of profiles (Who's Watching) to log into, it will never just load the last profile used!

I'm not sure what you said makes any sense where emby is concerned.

[Luke 39654]

The problem is that many other users are unchecking Remember Me and then expressing surprise when they are not prompted for the pin upon returning. So that's why the change was made. So we would need some kind of three way state in order to achieve a full sign-out.

[Q-Droid 856]

Why make it more confusing? It should be easier to add help for the edge cases than throw a curve ball to everyone else with unconventional use of common terms. Even in Emby the optional PIN is not a login even if some users want to treat it as such.

 

 

[darkassassin07 604]

I think a big reason for that is shared device apps automatically loading the last used profile upon opening.

 

If you check 'Remember Me', the app will ALWAYS open to the last used profile; demanding their pin if enabled. You can switch users from here, but that's not very intuitive (particularly with the massive pin entry prompt) and kind of annoying.

It's also not obvious that multiple accounts can/will be remembered and can be switched between.

 

The apps used to open to the switch users page by default, where pins used to be able to be used. People want this back; but right now the only way to get it is to not check 'remember me' which means they have no ability to use a pin.

 

 

[ebr 15579]

17 hours ago, darkassassin07 said:

not check 'remember me' which means they have no ability to use a pin.

That's not correct.  The PIN still works in that instance.

[darkassassin07 604]

I'm talking about the current implementation and the behaviour it leads to.

Currently, as Luke stated above, if you do not check remember me, you do not get prompted asking to enable the pin, thus you do not have access to use one.

Forcing accounts to be remembered regardless of the users decision to check that box isn't a good solution.

[ebr 15579]

16 hours ago, darkassassin07 said:

if you do not check remember me, you do not get prompted asking to enable the pin

That doesn't seem right... I know that's not how the TV apps work.

We should probably rename the option to "Automatically start in this profile" or something like that.

[ginjaninja 572]

as experienced on firestick.

I think its  great that you can switch between users (and their remembered passwords) easily on a tv.

And decoupling the remembered password behaviour from the desired startup behaviour seems to work nicely.

On 25/05/2024 at 14:19, ebr said:

We should probably rename the option to "Automatically start in this profile" or something like that.

Maybe - Start-up Behaviour

• User Selection Screen
• This user - %username% <sub option to select user.
• Most recent / Last user.

 

 I think the OPs request can be met already by changing the startup behaviour to "User Selection" or whatever it is currently.

NB the remembering of password behaviour did not work for me when testing until i had first signed out and signed back in again, so that might be important to do once in your testing to get the updated behaviour.

 

The simplicity of 'user logon' startup behaviour  was 'impacted' by asking me what server i want to use first, ? maybe default should be to remember server? or perhaps this is an edge case as i have a test server on the network.

Maybe during logon the user should be able to set/change the default 'password remember behaviour' as desired? Personally defaulting to 'remember until signout' works for me and my users better.

 

 

 

 

 

[Luke 39654]

Right it sounds like we need a three way option rather than just the straight Remember me toggle.

[DancingTable 11]

I'm not exactly sure what's confusing here.... we just want it to prompt user when you open the app. Effectively asking: Is this Person A, Person B, or Person C? Then you click the one you want, and it opens up to that user. It doesn't ask for PIN or password.

 

As far as I can tell, this already exists on chromecast, according to the people I've asked that use it (haven't verified in person though), but it does not exist on Apple TV.

 

 

Netflix does this. Disney+ does this. Plex does this. Amazon Prime does this. Youtube does this. I see no reason why Emby shouldn't do this.

[Luke 39654]

On 12/13/2024 at 11:35 AM, DancingTable said:

I'm not exactly sure what's confusing here.... we just want it to prompt user when you open the app. Effectively asking: Is this Person A, Person B, or Person C? Then you click the one you want, and it opens up to that user. It doesn't ask for PIN or password.

 

As far as I can tell, this already exists on chromecast, according to the people I've asked that use it (haven't verified in person though), but it does not exist on Apple TV.

 

 

Netflix does this. Disney+ does this. Plex does this. Amazon Prime does this. Youtube does this. I see no reason why Emby shouldn't do this.

Hi, nothing is confusing about this. we just need a three way option rather than just the straight Remember me toggle.

[Luke 39654]

hi, this will be in the next update to Emby for Android. Thanks.