fogpuppy 1 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Taking it back to the original discussion I have NO objection to licensing the server. I object to licensing a simple UI app for which you and others alr ady provide free examples. All I was asking for was essentially a node locked license that could be applied to a machine at install time and could require the internet at that time. You know like tons of product do every day. To move it to another machine could require internet access to release the license in order to move it to a other server. And put limits on the number of simultanoius streams if you want to prevent a Netflix type of service .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Sorry wasn't trying to mock you at all. That was not the intention. I'm just saying it's much more complex than just providing free clients. Even if free they would not be able to run offline without checking in at some reasonable time frame which I believe was what you were thinking or suggesting. The system can't/won't work that way. This has all been covered many times in the threads. The "Free Netflix" is not an argument at all but a fact of life and it happens a lot and we have to take precautions for these things to protect our brand. It's not so much the legal issues but about protecting our software and the brand so our name doesn't get tarnished or associated with piracy's or illegal uses of other people content being sold like a service. The nutshell view is that Emby MUST take precautions to protect it's brand and systems for both our sake and that of our existing customers. We can't have situations that could put us in jeopardy with app stores in any way so licensing and app communication for verification is vital and worth every bit of work that goes into it. Emby isn't looking to re-architect the licensing of the apps or services as it's been well thought out over the years and works quite well for the intended audience of the software which is for a home entertainment system for family use and a few friends. It's not until people try to push the envelope using it for commercial purposes that they run into issues concerning licensing. With that said, we still try to accommodate people as much as possible, but our intended audience is family and friends. Luke is going to look at Theater for you as mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilky13 21 Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 @Luke Any update on this? Was just underway for 2 weeks on the US Navy ship and Emby Theater would not open because of no internet. Electron just hangs. Had to do navigate and watch everything though the web interface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37133 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Not yet, sorry, but we are looking into improving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fogpuppy 1 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Any way for this to get a little higher priority? This and the odd issue with the play/pause button not on air-mouse remotes on linux are preventing the use of Emby Theater for our use case too. The browser works for now for most use cases but the big screen is pretty crummy using the web browser as a UI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37133 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 34 minutes ago, fogpuppy said: Any way for this to get a little higher priority? This and the odd issue with the play/pause button not on air-mouse remotes on linux are preventing the use of Emby Theater for our use case too. The browser works for now for most use cases but the big screen is pretty crummy using the web browser as a UI. We are working on improving it. Thanks for the feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baja 4 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 (edited) My internet went offline for an hour and I couldn't get my Emby client (shield) to connect to the Emby server (Win10 w/ premiere license). Is there some type of guide on how to configure the server/client to work offline? P.S. Earlier in this thread there was mention of purchasing an 'unlock' for the shield app, although someone said that wasn't needed with a premier license. It also sounds like there is some type of known bug as of Oct. I am very confused on the current status. Edited December 6, 2020 by Baja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, Baja said: My internet went offline for an hour and I couldn't get my Emby client (shield) to connect to the Emby server (Win10 w/ premiere license). Is there some type of guide on how to configure the server/client to work offline? Hi, Quick question for you. Before the Internet outage, when was the last time you used the Emby client on the Shield to connect to the same Emby Server? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baja 4 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 18 minutes ago, cayars said: Hi, Quick question for you. Before the Internet outage, when was the last time you used the Emby client on the Shield to connect to the same Emby Server? Same day, maybe a few hours prior. It has been the same setup for months now with regular usage. And it works great as long as the internet is up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Are you logging in on the Shield directly by IP to your Emby Server? If using Emby Connect or a DNS name I can see that causing an issue as they would both require Internet access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baja 4 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, cayars said: Are you logging in on the Shield directly by IP to your Emby Server? If using Emby Connect or a DNS name I can see that causing an issue as they would both require Internet access. Good question. The server does have internal static ip on my home network but I don't recall entering that during the Emby setup. So I'm guessing Emby Connect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 If using Emby Connect that would explain why it didn't work since Emby Connect requires the Internet. What I would do is "forget"/delete your current entry on Shield and add a new server. Put in your local IP and port, then login. Now everything should be a local login. You could test this by pulling your WAN cable from the router if you really wanted to do a "test run". This doesn't apply to just shield but any local devices you may use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilky13 21 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 @Luke i have the HTPC home over the weekend before I take it back to the ship on Monday. Any resolution on getting Emby Theater to function without an internet access? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37133 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 20 hours ago, Wilky13 said: @Luke i have the HTPC home over the weekend before I take it back to the ship on Monday. Any resolution on getting Emby Theater to function without an internet access? We are still working on revamping the app. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilky13 21 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 @Luke Any timeline on the revamp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midaz 2 Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 On 9/18/2020 at 12:30 PM, cayars said: Hi, If you don't mind me asking what Premiere features are you using in this offline manner besides app unlocks? I've done a couple of plane installs as well as a few yachts & RVs myself and still help to manage them and don't have a problem with Premiere. What I did was use a mobile service for networking and just restricted IPs that could be used to not allow excess usage. This way the apps and server could phone home as needed to keep proper activation and the cost was in the $10s of dollars instead of hundreds or thousands per month. Any time you can connect to free WIFI the cell data is not used. From my experience planes were easy as you can get mobile service pretty easy. Cruise ships typically have internet so again not an issue. Only private yachts out to see and "off grid" for extended periods are a problem. SR im agree with @fogpuppy sentences and also i would like to have a server offline all the time ( also im agree if this kind of licence is a little expensive from normal ne ) what is my case - im working on a vessel ( Offshore industry) and we dont have internet connection at all - vessel is offshore all the time there don~t have easy access to internet connection ( no cellphone plans or something like that ) then the only way to get internet acces is to install super expensive sistem (antennas and others ) and pay for a satellite internet plan ( a normal person cant get that ) my company will be no paying for that ( im employee ) i just want to make life more easy and fun onboard to me and other crew members ( normally we are 15 or 20 person onboard) - ok that my case if emby has plan on the future to add it please let me know Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 This doesn't help you from an Emby perspective but depending on the nature and location of your offshore industry, you may be able to use something Hughesnet which has plans starting at $59.95 a month. The entry level plan has no limit but slows you down to 1 to 3Mb after you use your allotted amount. Even at this speed the internet would still be great for email, text, chatting and of course all Emby validation checks. Maybe you could get the company to pick this up or get the guys to chip in $3 to $4 a month toward internet and being able to stay connected to family. https://www.hughesnet.com/get-started Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilky13 21 Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 Unfortunately I am on a US Navy ship. So “installing” anything with internet access is not allowed and we cannot connect to the systems onboard. It has to remain standalone with no internet. So it would be nice if Emby Theater worked on Windows even without an internet access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 That's strange, the navy has made internet available for years now and even has ISNS for personal use. You can connect to NIPRNet (Non-classified Internet Protocol Router Network) which will give you internet access. This is part of ISNS (integrated shipboard network system) which is unclassified. You can't however connect your person devices to SIPRNet (Secret Internet Protocol Router Network). Many navy ships already have WIFI for sailors and marines to use as well as ethernet. With CANES (Consolidated Afloat Network and Enterprise Services) you could even serve up services or hit file/media servers on other ships. But forgetting about streaming through the ship network, all Emby needs to do is send/receive a simple couple of packets to authenticate itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midaz 2 Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 6 hours ago, cayars said: This doesn't help you from an Emby perspective but depending on the nature and location of your offshore industry, you may be able to use something Hughesnet which has plans starting at $59.95 a month. The entry level plan has no limit but slows you down to 1 to 3Mb after you use your allotted amount. Even at this speed the internet would still be great for email, text, chatting and of course all Emby validation checks. Maybe you could get the company to pick this up or get the guys to chip in $3 to $4 a month toward internet and being able to stay connected to family. https://www.hughesnet.com/get-started Cayars. Just to understand a little what im talking about . --. This is not a tourist boat . .. and that option that you gave me . Is not possible everywhere . And also in case that work . As for example company has . Minimal internet connection onboard is less than 1mb ( due is yo expensive ) .. ... On the sea is not the same as . On land ... Or vessels near coast ( yatch ..or boats like that). ... Company use inmarsat and . Speedcast ( captainrock). ... To provide minimum. Internet onboard . And is just to work .... Computers network .. ( is all privated) .. you can access . Or open any kind of apps .out from company ... . Not possible to perform hotspots onboard . As a privated network . You can get access . Even connecting by rj45 cable due you need to configure manually net. To get internet access ... Hugeshet. Normally is to farm . Or places like that. ( Far from city ... ). To use the system onboard. You need. An obnidirectional antenna . To compensate pitch and roll ( vessel movements ) and also . Keep the antenna . Pointing to satellite (1- we can install noting like that ... Vessel is not mine. Is from company -- -- 2- in case that possible is not and cheap antenna . And easy to get it ...... And 3. Even installing antenna. The internet plans . Are too expensive. -- if you have a time . Just take a little time to. Look plans by iridium . Or speedcast companies as i told you . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 Inmarsat and Speedcast are just British and Australian private companies you can get services from just like Hughesnet. I'm referring to getting Internet directly and FREE from the Navy. Just about every ship has Internet access and speed just doesn't matter. Emby could use an old 9600 baud modem for it's authentication as it's just a couple of packets, not streaming media. Usually no special equipment but a Ethernet cable or typical old WIFI card. This works in port and at see on ship and often times on boats as well (SUBLAN). Let me know the ship your on (PM if you like) and I can likely tell you what services are available on that ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midaz 2 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 5 hours ago, cayars said: Inmarsat and Speedcast are just British and Australian private companies you can get services from just like Hughesnet. I'm referring to getting Internet directly and FREE from the Navy. Just about every ship has Internet access and speed just doesn't matter. Emby could use an old 9600 baud modem for it's authentication as it's just a couple of packets, not streaming media. Usually no special equipment but a Ethernet cable or typical old WIFI card. This works in port and at see on ship and often times on boats as well (SUBLAN). Let me know the ship your on (PM if you like) and I can likely tell you what services are available on that ship. cayar. I'm working on brazil ( offshore) then i haven't access to free internet as you're talking it could be fine if have but don't have it --- and about hugeshnet if it will be easy as you talk for sure i take a service and we could divide with the crew even 1mb could be perfect for family communication lol ( but how i told you is not easy ) to get internet onboard a vessel you need omnidirectional antennas ( company have it and is to expensive use it for the work network ) and talking with hugeshnet here they don't provide this kind of services ( for vessels ) --- a cruise ship or another vessel is different due all the time are near from cost ( 10 miles or less ) on my case as per you ask me -- im onboard a MPSV ( multi purpose supply vessel ) and the vessel is offshore all the time we embark by helicopter ) --.. if the vessel go shore right for sure i could use a land modem or better and easier my phone data plan i could put it as a hotspot but vessel don't go shore -- normally vessel just go to shore if finish the job is performing ( that normally take months performing it ) and then return to offshore to do another job --- and for this is i told you we cant use emby in the matter is right now due i could take my mini pc and update emby before embark right but them it will be just working 1st week -- now if you found a good service that i could take as hugeshnet price you show me and with easy installation as just plug modem or something like that perfect ill be taking ^remember that we cant install big antennas or things like that company will be afraid of that and is expensive too ) -- an for th last company will be no paying for that due is not on company plan for the company the importance is the job not recreation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midaz 2 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 @cayars take a look on this pictures -- its not easy or cheap to take it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo 4330 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 I never asked but made an assumption which probably wasn't a good idea. US Navy ship? If so PM me the name of the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilky13 21 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) On 3/27/2021 at 11:14 AM, cayars said: That's strange, the navy has made internet available for years now and even has ISNS for personal use. You can connect to NIPRNet (Non-classified Internet Protocol Router Network) which will give you internet access. This is part of ISNS (integrated shipboard network system) which is unclassified. You can't however connect your person devices to SIPRNet (Secret Internet Protocol Router Network). Many navy ships already have WIFI for sailors and marines to use as well as ethernet. With CANES (Consolidated Afloat Network and Enterprise Services) you could even serve up services or hit file/media servers on other ships. But forgetting about streaming through the ship network, all Emby needs to do is send/receive a simple couple of packets to authenticate itself. Connecting any type of personal device to the ship’s unclassified network is absolutely NOT allowed, to include HTPCs. A few ships now have WiFi as you mentioned, that allow Sailors to connect personal devices, but the one we’re on does not. Edited March 29, 2021 by Wilky13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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