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#1 jmassaro87 OFFLINE  

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Posted 11 September 2019 - 02:02 AM

Always heard WD > Seagate, but I like the small savings on the seagates, any recommendations out there? Going into a QNAP TS-451+.


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Posted 11 September 2019 - 04:11 AM

From my own personal experience over 30+ years in IT, Seagate disks are less reliable than the likes of Samsung (when they made HDD's), Toshiba, WD and Hitachi.  I have many HDD's with 10 YEARS spin life and zero bad sectors and zero error reads but my older seagates have bad sectors and read errors (all of them) with a few terminal - that tells me something.   Their newer HDD's may be better, but I gave up Seagate years ago.  All my latest HDD's are the NAS range from Toshiba and I'm very pleased with them - zero bad sectors or read errors with the oldest one being spinning for 1603 days (~4.5 years..) according to SMART.. 



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Posted 11 September 2019 - 04:15 AM

I use Seagate Ironwolf 6TB drives, no problems so far.

 

edit:  I'm not in IT and my current setup is only about 2 years old.  So take it for what it's worth :)


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Posted 14 September 2019 - 04:24 PM

Have the same setup, QNAP TS-451+ with four Seagate Ironwolf 4GB drives.  No issues at all.

 

One thing i did notice is that there were a number of updates for the QNAP when I first powered it one to fully see my drives.  When configuring, make sure all firmware updates are done prior to creating the array, etc.  Once I ensured the QNAP was up to date, there weren't any issues at all.



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Posted 15 September 2019 - 02:35 PM

As I said, just my experience - I'm sure they are fine now, but when spinning 24x7 for 5 years, come back and let us know ...  ;)  



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Posted 15 September 2019 - 02:39 PM

I have had great luck with the WD White Labels which are similar to Reds and in some cases are Reds.

Anyone that is considering some large capacity drive owes it to themselves, and their wallets, to search "WD Mybook shucking". I have currently have five 8TB Mybook drives in my system with zero issues.
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Posted 16 September 2019 - 12:44 PM

I had to google what 'shucking' was lol  :huh: - but yes, it's not a new thing that external HDD's are usually cheaper than buying the equivalent bare HDD - crazy but true.  Probably a marketing incentive or something ..

 

WD 8Tb External HDD - UK £130, WD 8Tb Bare HDD - UK £240 - that is some savings !


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Posted 17 September 2019 - 09:28 AM

FYI, BestBuy has the 8TB EasyStore's on sale for $140 now and the 10TB for $180.  Gonna go collect a few today over lunch.

 

edit: picked up a pair an shucked them in under 5 mins.  They were the white label "red" version.  Linux recognized them right away. We'll see.


Edited by mastrmind11, 18 September 2019 - 06:30 AM.

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Posted 19 September 2019 - 11:06 AM

The only issue you might run into with the white labels is that some PSU power connectors and backplanes have trouble powering up the drive. If that is the case a molex to SATA 15-pin power supply connector will fix that.



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Posted 19 September 2019 - 11:12 AM

From my own personal experience over 30+ years in IT, 

 

I had to google what 'shucking' was lol  :huh:

 

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 07:04 AM

The only issue you might run into with the white labels is that some PSU power connectors and backplanes have trouble powering up the drive. If that is the case a molex to SATA 15-pin power supply connector will fix that.

Yeah was prepared for that.  Planned to tape pins 1-3.  Luckily they were recognized off the bat so it was unnecessary.



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Posted 20 September 2019 - 04:07 PM

I have had great luck with the WD White Labels which are similar to Reds and in some cases are Reds.

Anyone that is considering some large capacity drive owes it to themselves, and their wallets, to search "WD Mybook shucking". I have currently have five 8TB Mybook drives in my system with zero issues.

 

 

I had to google what 'shucking' was lol  :huh: - but yes, it's not a new thing that external HDD's are usually cheaper than buying the equivalent bare HDD - crazy but true.  Probably a marketing incentive or something ..

 

WD 8Tb External HDD - UK £130, WD 8Tb Bare HDD - UK £240 - that is some savings !

 

 

FYI, BestBuy has the 8TB EasyStore's on sale for $140 now and the 10TB for $180.  Gonna go collect a few today over lunch.

 

edit: picked up a pair an shucked them in under 5 mins.  They were the white label "red" version.  Linux recognized them right away. We'll see.

 

 

I'm currently running 3x10TB WD White Label drives that I "shucked."  I got them for around $160 each.  Two for my array, and one for parity.

 

 

The only issue you might run into with the white labels is that some PSU power connectors and backplanes have trouble powering up the drive. If that is the case a molex to SATA 15-pin power supply connector will fix that.

 

 

Yeah was prepared for that.  Planned to tape pins 1-3.  Luckily they were recognized off the bat so it was unnecessary.

 

I ran into this problem with my backplane.  Taping pin 3 did the job for me.



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Posted 20 September 2019 - 04:12 PM

Side note, HGST are still the drives with the least failures.

https://www.backblaz...-stats-q2-2019/

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 06:01 PM

Side note, HGST are still the drives with the least failures.

https://www.backblaz...-stats-q2-2019/

So find me an external that contains them and I'll gladly shuck away.


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Posted 20 September 2019 - 06:06 PM

You won't because WD bought HGST six years ago and have phased out the HGST branding. HGST is WD

 

Edit: Before anyone states it, yes I know HGST and WD are/were different 


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Posted 20 September 2019 - 06:28 PM

You won't because WD bought HGST six years ago and have phased out the HGST branding. HGST is WD

 

Edit: Before anyone states it, yes I know HGST and WD are/were different 

thought I read that somewhere.   cheers



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Posted 20 September 2019 - 08:52 PM

Yeah, but as far as I know they still operate as an independent company (I should say I HOPE they are still separate). Mine are still going strong.

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 09:25 PM

By 2018, the HGST brand had been phased out, with its remaining products now marketed under the Western Digital name. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HGST

Products formerly branded as HGST and Tegile, as well as some commercial/enterprise SanDisk and WD, are transitioning to being branded as Western Digital.

https://www.techrepu...market-shuffle/


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Posted 20 September 2019 - 10:16 PM

Well crap! That sucks. I don't like WD  :P



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Posted 21 September 2019 - 10:02 PM

Toshiba drives are the class leader now.




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