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#21 ebr OFFLINE  

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Posted 07 January 2018 - 12:01 PM

But of course it also just begs the question why not have a way to disable our smart handling altogether so that in your case you would have to watch to the end to have it be marked watched.

 

We already have that (set them to 0 and 100) and that did not satisfy his use case.



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Posted 07 January 2018 - 02:16 PM

You could also increase the post padding

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Posted 14 January 2018 - 02:37 AM

I've created a new bug report  for the pausing near the end issue, so I'll move all discussion regarding that over there.

 

So back on the topic of an idle timeout feature (so that paused content is stopped after X minutes) to allow my screensaver and TV power-off to work:

 

I paused a TV show on both Amazon Prime Video and on Netflix and both allowed my screensaver to kick on after 5 minutes! So due to this I'd say most users expect their screensaver to appear when playback is paused (excluding Live TV of course).

 

Given these facts are we in agreement that an idle timeout feature is worth pursuing?



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Posted 14 January 2018 - 10:56 AM

I've created a new bug report  for the pausing near the end issue, so I'll move all discussion regarding that over there.

 

So back on the topic of an idle timeout feature (so that paused content is stopped after X minutes) to allow my screensaver and TV power-off to work:

 

I paused a TV show on both Amazon Prime Video and on Netflix and both allowed my screensaver to kick on after 5 minutes! So due to this I'd say most users expect their screensaver to appear when playback is paused (excluding Live TV of course).

 

Given these facts are we in agreement that an idle timeout feature is worth pursuing?

 

Doing that is just going to create more problems for you because, as I mentioned before, if the screen saver comes on, we have to stop playback (our app is paused and moved to the background).



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Posted 19 January 2018 - 04:24 AM

@ebr That's correct -- I want playback to stop so that my screensaver comes on.

 

Similiar to the auto-logoff feature, except that does two things, it stops playback and then it logs me out of the app. In the case of the idle timeout feature I just want playback to stop (without logging me out), so that when I stop the screensaver I can quickly resume playback.



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Posted 30 January 2018 - 02:40 AM

I just confirmed that both Netflix and Amazon Video allow my 5min screensaver to come on when I have paused a video. It's fantastic...

 

If we exclude Live TV, is it something you would consider? Netflix & Amazon set the precedent so if we want to be in line with user's expectations, we need to stop suppressing the screensaver.

 

I mean that's the whole idea of a screensaver.... you leave for a while and when you come back (regardless of what you were doing when you left), the screensaver is running.



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Posted 30 January 2018 - 09:34 AM

It is a possibility but you realize, if we do this, it is just going to exacerbate your other issue.



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Posted 31 January 2018 - 06:06 PM

That's fine -- I need to draw attention to that other bug anyways. So it's a win win...



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Posted 20 April 2018 - 03:46 AM

@ebr In the most recent Android update the auto-logoff has stopped working if content is paused -- was that a feature or a bug?  I left a TV show paused and left for the day and usually when I come home the TV is off (Emby does auto-logoff, then Android screensaver can kick on, and then the Android kills the video signal after a while, and then the TV while auto-power-off after signal is off).

 

I've noticed coming home after many hours and my TV is (unfortunately) still on, paused where I left it.  If this change was intentional, it really is time to create a "Paused Idle Timeout"  that will then allow the Auto Time-Out to work as before (or allow my Android screensaver to appear) -- I'd prefer allowing the screensaver to appear during pause, but I know you have strong opinions so just let me know how you would like to handle it.



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Posted 20 April 2018 - 11:20 AM

Any change surrounding this was unintentional.  What version of the app?



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Posted 20 April 2018 - 03:46 PM

3.3.0.0 Google version



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Posted 20 April 2018 - 06:28 PM

3.3.0.0 Google version

 

That's not a valid version of our app and, if that's your server version, it is behind so I would suggest updating it.



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Posted 20 April 2018 - 06:37 PM

My bad -- 1.5.66g



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Posted 05 May 2018 - 02:49 AM

@ebr Were you able to reproduce the problem of Auto Logoff being broken in the latest versions?  If a TV show is pasued then Auto Logoff will never trigger, the TV will stay paused for days...

 

While you're in there, could you please just add an Auto Logoff for 5min and 15min too?  Not only will that help with testing but it'll be great for those of us that enjoy our screensaver.

 

Thanks!



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Posted 05 May 2018 - 08:47 AM

That behavior is by design right now.



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Posted 05 May 2018 - 02:15 PM

Okay so the auto-logoff no longer triggers if paused?  Since this is kind of a breaking change, can we take this opportunity to add an "Enable Screensaver" option that will exit playback after being paused for 10min?  (or even just "Idle Playback Timeout" that's off by default with a few timing options)

 

I'm fine with only applying it to TV SHOWS and not Movies or Live content. This way I can leave my TV paused and it will eventually stop playback, auto-log off, and then allow my TV to power off automatically.

 

I keep coming home to multiple TVs in the house on and paused because that's the habit we've developed using Emby the last few years. Please consider it :-)



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Posted 05 May 2018 - 03:13 PM

I think on some level your points make sense, it's just not something that's easy to change in an ecosystem of a server and a dozen apps. That's why we are monitoring it for community support to see how much interest there is in revamping this.

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Posted 04 June 2018 - 03:41 AM

Why can't it be changed back then?  I've used Emby for years and I could always leave content paused, and when I came back hours later my TV would be shut off due to the Auto Logoff feature. That feature is now "broken" relative to how it's worked since it was added. So what's the problem with restoring that functionality to how it's always worked?

 

I understand that allowing the screensaver to come up on Android TV is something you guys don't care about -- I'm just asking that you restore the Auto Logoff feature to work as it always has. That way I can get my screensaver to come on that way, and get my TV to shut off automatically.   What else is the point of the Auto Logoff feature?



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Posted 04 June 2018 - 08:43 AM

I understand that allowing the screensaver to come up on Android TV is something you guys don't care about -- I'm just asking that you restore the Auto Logoff feature to work as it always has. That way I can get my screensaver to come on that way, and get

my TV to shut off automatically.   What else is the point of the Auto Logoff feature?

 

The auto logoff works fine in the 99% use-case.  Your usage pattern is just very rare.  Most people stop the content if they are finished watching for now but pause it if they are not and wish to come back to it soon.



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Posted 04 June 2018 - 06:46 PM

Possibly the majority but definitely not 99%  -- I have a TV in my office and I work from home. I have the TV on in the background like a lot of people, but if I get a phone call or a family member comes in, or I need to run to the bathroom/kitchen, or any of 100 other reasons, I'll pause it, expecting to come right back. Much of the time I do come right back, which is why I don't stop it. Stopping it causes 2 primary issues:

 

1) It does the 15sec auto-rewind (which I like when I'm starting back an episode I wasn't just watching)

2) If I'm within the last few percent of the episode, Emby will *erroneously* mark the episode as watched.

 

So it doesn't make sense to stop the show every time I need to walk into the other room. And for years I've relied on the Auto Logoff feature to close everything down and put the TV to sleep if I don't return in a reasonable amount of time.

 

This isn't that weird of a use-case. Maybe the people that only watch TV for an hour at night will stop the content like you're "supposed to", but the junkies out there that always have the TV on, pausing is very common.

 

This mostly just affects TV apps, so can you not just stick a checkbox on the Android/Fire version to allow Auto-Logoff to apply on paused content? I'm fine with limiting it to non-live content if that addresses the main concern for not doing this.







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