Local login

[markyskus 5]

Get back the password/pin-less login for local, or one time autentication. It's hard to use if the user is young or old.

I understand the reason, but it's not working well. 

[Happy2Play 9351]

35 minutes ago, markyskus said:

one time autentication.

One time authentication is what we currently have on all clients.  But if you log out you have to authenticate again.  Might need to enable remember me on some clients.

What specific issue do you have?

[markyskus 5]

I have got kids ( 5-7 year olds) and the old method is really good: open emby on apple tv --->kid click on the user --> start the show/movie they want to watch--> movie ends, close the app, turn off the tv--->later my wife or me want to wtch something--->tv turn on--->emby app start->choose user--->login without anything because its local---everyone is happy

new method:kids turn on tv--->emby app start-->logged in automatically with the last user--->must change user if that not kids user was the last user

or

kids turn on tv--->emby app start---> select user--->app wait for password or pin.... thats not userfriendly for young and older users, and my wife hate it too

Edited June 14, 2024 by markyskus

[Happy2Play 9351]

I don't really see this changing again very much as security is required.  But you can remove users passwords and restrict user remote access so all your local users can technically passwordless if you like.  As most of my user test accounts are passwordless.

Launch app connects with last user, switch user.

Or launch appear last user Pin popup, just click change user and now passwordless user is logged in

[Luke 39617]

20 minutes ago, markyskus said:

I have got kids ( 5-7 year olds) and the old method is really good: open emby on apple tv --->kid click on the user --> start the show/movie they want to watch--> movie ends, close the app, turn off the tv--->later my wife or me want to wtch something--->tv turn on--->emby app start->choose user--->login without anything because its local---everyone is happy

new method:kids turn on tv--->emby app start-->logged in automatically with the last user--->must change user if that not kids user was the last user

or

kids turn on tv--->emby app start---> select user--->app wait for password or pin.... thats not userfriendly for young and older users, and my wife hate it too

Hi, did you try unchecking "remember me" ?

[markyskus 5]

2 minutes ago, Luke said:

Hi, did you try unchecking "remember me" ?

yes, if pin is setted, the app requires pin, if not it requires password, the old method not requires anything with local use (not user)

[markyskus 5]

10 minutes ago, Happy2Play said:

I don't really see this changing again very much as security is required.  But you can remove users passwords and restrict user remote access so all your local users can technically passwordless if you like.  As most of my user test accounts are passwordless.

Launch app connects with last user, switch user.

Or launch appear last user Pin popup, just click change user and now passwordless user is logged in

thats ok, but we not only use it locally

[ebr 15574]

8 hours ago, markyskus said:

if not it requires password,

Hi.  That is not correct. You only have to authenticate once for each user and then you can switch freely between them.

[markyskus 5]

1 minute ago, ebr said:

Hi.  That is not correct. You only have to authenticate once for each user and then you can switch freely between them.

I think, you guys not understanding the problem totally. I try to explain again

I know if the remember me setting is checked, than switching user not requires password, but my 5 years old kid couldn't switch the user if the last logged is the adult user

and if uncheck the remember me, the app ALWAYS requires password

 

the old method, where I can set passwordless login on local network is much more user-friendly, a kid could choose his own user

 

is it understandable?

 

now we use infuse for adult user and Emby app for the kids, but I paid the lifetime premier for Emby and I don't want to pay for another app

[darkassassin07 603]

Even when the last user was one that require a pin (your adult accounts); you can still switch users.

When the app opens and requests a pin; theres a 'switch users' button on that page.

 

 

Though, I'd still like an option to ALWAYS open to the select users page; to skip that extra step.

Edited June 14, 2024 by darkassassin07

[Q-Droid 854]

48 minutes ago, darkassassin07 said:

Though, I'd still like an option to ALWAYS open to the select users page; to skip that extra step.

So not all apps have this? You'd think this would be a basic one on the app feature parity list.

 

 

Edited June 15, 2024 by Q-Droid

[darkassassin07 603]

I'm not aware of any Emby apps that do this. They all open to the last used+rembered user, requesting a pin if enabled.

 

I tend to stick to the web app, android, and xbone though. Luke has been saying for several months that there's going to be a new xbone app... Eventually...

Edited June 15, 2024 by darkassassin07

[Q-Droid 854]

I really only use the Android TV app which does have the option to always open to the login screen, basically the user selector.

Edited June 15, 2024 by Q-Droid

[rbjtech 4916]

6 hours ago, Q-Droid said:

I really only use the Android TV app which does have the option to always open to the login screen, basically the user selector.

Yep - for the last 10 years or so, Emby for AndroidTV has always has the ability to display the users as images upon first app load and you simply pick the user you want.   Protect the 'adult' accounts with a PIN if you have kid accounts on the same shared device.   What's displayed is a server side per user option.   For Remote you can hide the users on new devices if you want that.     Prior to the security changes, this used the 'in LAN' to just log that user on regardless (with optional PIN, even back then), post the security changes, it behaves exactly the same assuming you have set to remember the password as it's now cached on the device.

I think some clients are still missing that option - Not sure why all clients don't have this as I think this would close the 'no password' requests/grumbles once and for all ...

Edited June 15, 2024 by rbjtech

[markyskus 5]

7 hours ago, darkassassin07 said:

Even when the last user was one that require a pin (your adult accounts); you can still switch users.

When the app opens and requests a pin; theres a 'switch users' button on that page.

 

 

Though, I'd still like an option to ALWAYS open to the select users page; to skip that extra step.

on Apple TV the pin is useless, never requires it always just password, and the extra steps is not simple for an 5 years old because it's written not grafical (and my wife and me hates too and don't understand why would it be good)

 

yeah, that would be great if we could setting up to that (or like the old method, passwordless login on local network)

[markyskus 5]

6 hours ago, Q-Droid said:

I really only use the Android TV app which does have the option to always open to the login screen, basically the user selector.

on Apple TV, there is no option for that

[Luke 39617]

3 minutes ago, markyskus said:

never requires it always just password

You're probably doing a full sign-out. Try doing just change user instead.

[markyskus 5]

1 minute ago, Luke said:

You're probably doing a full sign-out. Try doing just change user instead.

I mean, if I added pin the my user, then switching (not logging out) user it don't requires password or pin, if I logged out it requires password not pin, so on Apple TV the pin is useless

 

but that is not the problem, the problem is, there is no option on Apple TV for remember users and not logged in automatically with the last user, switching user is NOT user-friendly

[Happy2Play 9351]

Yes as all clients are not designed the same it would appear AndroidTV is the only client that lands on user select screen for change users instead of jumping to last user.  Guess everyone want something different but would annoy me logging in every time.

But authentication is the same across the board is my understand and ever user must authenticate with password before PIN will be and option.  So every time someone logs out they must reauthenticate with password.

[rbjtech 4916]

8 minutes ago, Happy2Play said:

Yes as all clients are not designed the same it would appear AndroidTV is the only client that lands on user select screen for change users instead of jumping to last user.  Guess everyone want something different but would annoy me logging in every time.

AndroidTV gives you the OPTION in the client/device configuration.  Last logged in user or pick a user.  So for shared devices, you pick to show all the users, as you don't know who will next be using it.  For single user devices, then you keep it as last logged in user and it will then log you in automatically...   

It doesn't seem like rocket science to me .. really not sure why this was not inherited years ago on the other apps ...  

Edited June 15, 2024 by rbjtech

[Happy2Play 9351]

True just different designer that cause the issue and why one of apps will go away eventually.  But in the end it appears to be to many apps and not enough designers.

Edited June 15, 2024 by Happy2Play

[Q-Droid 854]

57 minutes ago, Happy2Play said:

True just different designer that cause the issue and why one of apps will go away eventually.  But in the end it appears to be to many apps and not enough designers.

And that is a problem because the app they want to retire is ATV. The one that has the options for the best UX on an actual TV.

 

 

[Luke 39617]

hi, this will be in the next update to Emby for Android. Thanks.