chrisrobbins1970 13 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) What does Reducing bitrate due to quality setting mean ?? and what does the RED line mean ? Also how do I know if a remote user is buffering ? Edited March 3 by GrimReaper WAN IP masked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimReaper 3294 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) 4 minutes ago, chrisrobbins1970 said: What does Reducing bitrate due to quality setting mean ?? It means that client has Quality setting lower than item bitrate - either server-side enforced or client-side selected. 4 minutes ago, chrisrobbins1970 said: and what does the RED line mean ? Transcode progress. Edited March 3 by GrimReaper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisrobbins1970 13 Posted March 3 Author Share Posted March 3 (edited) OK on server side what can I set to make it DIrect Play ? On the client side the VIDEO QUALITY is set to AUTO Edited March 3 by chrisrobbins1970 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heffeque 39 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 You can disable transcoding on a user basis, if that's what you are looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimReaper 3294 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) Make sure you don't have any Internet streaming bitrate limit (or set it higher than your item bitrate) set, either globally (Settings>Network) or per-user (Settings>Users>edit desired User). Client-side: select some fixed numerical value high enough as Auto can be (and often is) somewhat restrictive. Edited March 3 by GrimReaper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisrobbins1970 13 Posted March 3 Author Share Posted March 3 (edited) so dont use AUTO but something like 1080p FHD - 60mbps Edited March 3 by chrisrobbins1970 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimReaper 3294 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Just now, chrisrobbins1970 said: so dont use AUTO but something like 1080p FHD - 60mbps Basically yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisrobbins1970 13 Posted March 3 Author Share Posted March 3 (edited) ok.. than what is the sweet spot setting for the clientside ?? IF I uncheck ALL these does that diable transcoding?? Edited March 3 by chrisrobbins1970 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimReaper 3294 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 4 minutes ago, chrisrobbins1970 said: ok.. than what is the sweet spot setting for the clientside ?? That depends on your collection (codecs, bitrate) and your connection (upload bandwidth), there is no "one solution fits all". 5 minutes ago, chrisrobbins1970 said: IF I uncheck ALL these does that diable transcoding?? It does, but that is likely bound to cause more issues down the road, I'd suggest paying attention to helper text at the bottom of that section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy2Play 8282 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) Client is remote and you or a mod may want to remove client address. Would need to see server and ffmpeg log but Auto can be conservative on Remote connects (known ROKU isue) and may require user to change to a specific higher quality value. Personally I tell all my remote users to set client to Max quality and apply limits on users or server per the server options. Edited March 3 by Happy2Play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisrobbins1970 13 Posted March 3 Author Share Posted March 3 what are the "limits on users or server per the server options" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy2Play 8282 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 minute ago, chrisrobbins1970 said: what are the "limits on users or server per the server options" ? Server side per user or Server side global Network page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy2Play 8282 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 But this is common issue with Roku and remote connections being over conservative and requires change on client quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisrobbins1970 13 Posted March 3 Author Share Posted March 3 my other question was how do I know if there is buffering on the remote end ? Plex would show BUFFERING how can I tell in Emby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy2Play 8282 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 minutes ago, chrisrobbins1970 said: my other question was how do I know if there is buffering on the remote end ? Plex would show BUFFERING how can I tell in Emby What are you calling buffering? But sounds like you are talking about throttling as by default ffmpeg goes full throttle until complete as your image shows above all conversions is complete (Red Line). You can go to Transcoding page and enable Throttling if you wish to change this behavior to segmented intervals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heffeque 39 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 3/3/2024 at 6:14 PM, chrisrobbins1970 said: so dont use AUTO but something like 1080p FHD - 60mbps An issue with selecting a certain certain quality is that there's a maximum of "4K 160 Mbps", so Emby cannot reproduce 8K video. Not that there's much 8K video out there, but just sayin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy2Play 8282 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, heffeque said: An issue with selecting a certain certain quality is that there's a maximum of "4K 160 Mbps", so Emby cannot reproduce 8K video. Not that there's much 8K video out there, but just sayin'. Given the current limits it can't happen now. So speculating on 8K is mute. Quote Up to 1080p (1920 x 1080) with up-scaling from 720p. Up to 2160p at 60fps (3840 × 2160) with up-scaling from 720p and 1080p. Supports Dolby Vision®, HDR10/10+, and HLG up to 60fps. *Requires compatible TV with an HDMI input that supports HDCP 2.2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heffeque 39 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 23 minutes ago, Happy2Play said: Given the current limits it can't happen now. So speculating on 8K is mute. What can't happen. What's "it". I'm confused. I just tried playing a couple 8K videos on Emby and they didn't work (neither Emby app, nor using Edge). No issues with direct playing 4K on a 1080p screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy2Play 8282 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 6 minutes ago, heffeque said: What can't happen. What's "it". I'm confused. I just tried playing a couple 8K videos on Emby and they didn't work (neither Emby app, nor using Edge). No issues with direct playing 4K on a 1080p screen. Sure they do play in browser or app but will need to be transcoded down to 4K. But not really related to this topic. But sputters on my hardware as could only get AV1 decoding in software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy2Play 8282 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 At the same time the Resolution is not correct on all quality/playback menus as only bitrate is utilized and completely ignores 4K/1080p/720p and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heffeque 39 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 7 minutes ago, Happy2Play said: Sure they do play in browser or app but will need to be transcoded down to 4K. But not really related to this topic. Isn't avoiding transcoding the whole point of this thread? 4 minutes ago, Happy2Play said: At the same time the Resolution is not correct on all quality/playback menus as only bitrate is utilized and completely ignores 4K/1080p/720p and so on. Good to know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy2Play 8282 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 2 minutes ago, heffeque said: Isn't avoiding transcoding the whole point of this thread? Sure but you can't force something that is not support to direct play like your example of 8K. But the issue here is Emby AUTO setting on most remote clients will be very conservative and fallback to a hardcoded rate somewhere like 1.5Mbps. As this has always been an issue really specific to Roku. Auto is not your friend if you don't want transcoding on remote sessions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heffeque 39 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 5 minutes ago, Happy2Play said: Sure but you can't force something that is not support to direct play like your example of 8K. What do you mean? My 1080p screen can direct play 4K content. Why wouldn't it 8K? The 8K video plays when playing on VLC, MPC-HC, etc. I'm not saying that I want/need 8K playback though. Just commenting that it's weird that 4K direct playback is supported but 8K direct playback isn't or doesn't seem so (interdependently whether the client can play 8K or not). 5 minutes ago, Happy2Play said: But the issue here is Emby AUTO setting on most remote clients will be very conservative and fallback to a hardcoded rate somewhere like 1.5Mbps. As this has always been an issue really specific to Roku. Auto is not your friend if you don't want transcoding on remote sessions. Yep, noticed that Auto was doing lots of unnecessary transcoding. I've been setting "4k 160 Mbps" on most devices for some time now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy2Play 8282 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 4 minutes ago, heffeque said: What do you mean? My 1080p screen can direct play 4K content. Why wouldn't it 8K? The 8K video plays when playing on VLC, MPC-HC, etc. Devs would know more about this but per my transcode log device protocol returned a limit &MaxWidth=3840 so 8K is not an option. Limitations of this browser/hardware. &VideoCodec=h264,h265,hevc,av1&AudioCodec=ac3,mp3,aac&VideoBitrate=159872001&AudioBitrate=127999&MaxWidth=3840&AudioStreamIndex=1&TranscodingMaxAudioChannels=2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heffeque 39 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 What you are showing there are limitations that Emby is putting on browsers, correct? Because 8K works OK on Firefox, and on Chromium based browsers (just tried Firefox and Edge here). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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