chef 3745 Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 (edited) Wow! Did Microsoft just kick off the "A.I. Wars?" I can't believe I'm saying this but, I think I might be switching to Bing.... Did I just say that? Unreal... We'll have to see how Google responds with LaMDA tomorrow afternoon... But, what is for sure, everything has changed with how we are going to be using the internet, and as of right now it is Microsoft and openAI leading the charge! I love how they keep saying "...we need AI in the real world, not just in a lab.." ... Ahrrrmmmm Google. Edited February 8, 2023 by chef 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesegeezer 3086 Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 (edited) Edited February 8, 2023 by Cheesegeezer 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesegeezer 3086 Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 (edited) it sounds like the guy presenting at the beginning sounds a bit German.... wondering if @softworkz is moonlighting from Emby. Plus.... does his avatar look like another image in this thread..... eek!! Edited February 8, 2023 by Cheesegeezer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abobader 2945 Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Cheesegeezer said: Plus.... does his avatar look like another image in this thread..... ah, I knew it! He control "AI" as I am still chatting with "SAL" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locutus64 118 Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 12 hours ago, chef said: Wow! Did Microsoft just kick off the "A.I. Wars?" I can't believe I'm saying this but, I think I might be switching to Bing.... Did I just say that? Unreal... We'll have to see how Google responds with LaMDA tomorrow afternoon... But, what is for sure, everything has changed with how we are going to be using the internet, and as of right now it is Microsoft and openAI leading the charge! I love how they keep saying "...we need AI in the real world, not just in a lab.." ... Ahrrrmmmm Google. Let's be honest here we need to have Google and the like take their search engines back to the mid 90's. That's when you searched for something and got relevant results. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef 3745 Posted February 8, 2023 Author Share Posted February 8, 2023 10 minutes ago, Locutus64 said: Let's be honest here we need to have Google and the like take their search engines back to the mid 90's. That's when you searched for something and got relevant results. I completely agree. Very little tracking, and almost no ads. Now a days all I get is an entire page of ads before I can even start to get to relivant information in the giant phonebook that is Google search. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesegeezer 3086 Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 2 hours ago, chef said: I completely agree. Very little tracking, and almost no ads. Now a days all I get is an entire page of ads before I can even start to get to relivant information in the giant phonebook that is Google search. and don't forget all this stupid consent to cookies crap when you click on a website now. we are all here to fuel investor companies. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceboy 2493 Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 38 minutes ago, Cheesegeezer said: and don't forget all this stupid consent to cookies crap when you click on a website now. we are all here to fuel investor companies. https://github.com/OhMyGuus/I-Still-Dont-Care-About-Cookies 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef 3745 Posted February 9, 2023 Author Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) Well, the Google presentation had some technical issues, which made watching it at the time impossible. I bet Microsoft CEOs are all sitting in a conference room somewhere with their minds blown right now, probabaly grinning, and maybe even in shock as how poorly that went for Google. Watching the follow ups about Google Bard, it seems pretty nifty. However, where Microsoft talked about using Azure to handle the massive scale of Prometheus, Google talked about scaling LaMDA back inorder to get it out to their customers. That was a mistake. Google needs to get rid of a huge amount of ads on their search results, and figure out how they can get LaMDA at scale to their customers inorder to win this one. If I were to predict the future here (at least for now) I would say that Round 1 goes to Microsoft and OpenAI. Google is going to have to figure out how to win a lot of people back to their web platform after this Edited February 9, 2023 by chef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softworkz 3335 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, Locutus64 said: take their search engines back to the mid 90's. That's when you searched for something and got relevant results None of the search engines in the mid 90ies gave good results. That came just at the start of this century with Google slowly surpassing all of its competitors. In the MS video, they said that Bing search experience (before their AI switch) would be as good as "any other" search experience, but that's not true, Google is still a magnitude better in relevance of search results (the ads and bloat on the first half of the page don't change that). Half of the time I'm searching for highly specific topics, where I'm rather sure that Bing's AI won't (can't) make a change. For the other half - yes, it's going to get interesting and where AI driven queries will surely be able to get to the point much better, especially in cases where you can't get the desired results by keywords. I'm curious how their chat will compare with ChatGPT because I can't imagine that they will be able to provide the required computing power (yet). Edit: Seems they do, but it's unclear whether it's the full or a reduced model. It will also be interesting to see how much and how well this will go when it gets to very specific (non-mainstream) topics... Edited February 9, 2023 by softworkz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softworkz 3335 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 The important effects for MS: "Bing in Edge" means they can have users move over to Edge They can force users to be logged in while searching (at least when they want the "full experience") They have a reason to convince users to share their browsing history 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abobader 2945 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 hour ago, softworkz said: The important effects for MS That general apply as well to ChatGPT buddy, they support that project by big amount of money as everyone know. Tracking .. tracking is the main matters here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locutus64 118 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 4 hours ago, softworkz said: None of the search engines in the mid 90ies gave good results. That came just at the start of this century with Google slowly surpassing all of its competitors. You got my point JUST fine didn't you. The rest of your post is just fluff, we're not in a porn movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locutus64 118 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 4 hours ago, softworkz said: The important effects for MS: "Bing in Edge" means they can have users move over to Edge They can force users to be logged in while searching (at least when they want the "full experience") They have a reason to convince users to share their browsing history Anyone with any sense realizes in the long run Microsoft loses cause they refuse to lean into protecting people's privacy where as with the push back of manifest 3 and the heightened privacy protection on Android starting with the release of Android 12 shows Google is listening to people's push for more privacy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softworkz 3335 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, Locutus64 said: You got my point JUST fine didn't you. The rest of your post is just fluff, we're not in a porn movie. I got your point, but it's not just that the timeframe was wrong - your whole point is wrong. Search results weren't better in earlier days. (same like porn movies btw) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softworkz 3335 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, Locutus64 said: Anyone with any sense realizes in the long run Microsoft loses cause they refuse to lean into protecting people's privacy where as with the push back of manifest 3 and the heightened privacy protection on Android starting with the release of Android 12 shows Google is listening to people's push for more privacy. You must be kidding. Google are the #1 of evil in this regard. They are just selling it way better than any of the others. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef 3745 Posted February 9, 2023 Author Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) I (personally) am all in on AI web browsing. I think it's great. You'll be tracked no matter what. I've always liked the idea of AI. Once OpenAI can pay Microsoft back their money the market share falls back into their hands. At that point everyone's web searches will have trained their model even more. The thing is going to be "God-ly". I was thinking about buying up shares of Google right now. They dropped to under 100 dollars. Eventually, Google will rebound, and they'll have their day to be at the top again. But, it won't be for a while. At least we no longer have a monopoly on the web anymore. Also, I'm interested if people will continue to use the phrase: "I dunno, why don't you 'Google it'?". Edited February 9, 2023 by chef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locutus64 118 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 10 hours ago, softworkz said: I got your point, but it's not just that the timeframe was wrong - your whole point is wrong. Search results weren't better in earlier days. (same like porn movies btw) The delusion is strong in you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamB 2353 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 10 hours ago, chef said: Google it this will always be used as a verb. just google it will always mean just look it up on the interwebs. I remember over 10 years ago when I first started working for microsoft they tried to get all internal employees to use the term "Bing It!"...it did not catch on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef 3745 Posted February 10, 2023 Author Share Posted February 10, 2023 35 minutes ago, TeamB said: this will always be used as a verb. just google it will always mean just look it up on the interwebs. I remember over 10 years ago when I first started working for microsoft they tried to get all internal employees to use the term "Bing It!"...it did not catch on Right like calling it a "Crayon", or getting a "Kleenex". It is just always going to be "Google it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softworkz 3335 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 1 hour ago, TeamB said: tried to get all internal employees to use the term "Bing It!"...it did not catch on LOL, they had such a long and bad time with their bing ding. I wonder how many careers have ended there... That's also the reason why I'm still a bit skeptical - The history of Bing (and predecessors): Every 2-4 years (which matches the typical lifecycle of an executive who fails), they came out of the hole with an announcement consisting of two parts: Admitting that they didn't perform that well in the past and that they were behind the competion But now - right now - these things have all changed and they are really really really (pinkie-finger-swear) really really better or equal to Google That's how we could watch how they let one manager after another walk off the plank... So, when I watched that video, my dejá-vous alarm was unsnoozeable. I'm still wondering whether we'll really get a superior search engine, or whether it's rather a mass-rollout of ChatGPT to cross-promote Bing once again (like so many times before) - which we'll get as a remedy for the shitty bing results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softworkz 3335 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, softworkz said: So, when I watched that video, my dejá-vous alarm was unsnoozeable. I'm still wondering whether we'll really get a superior search engine, or whether it's rather a mass-rollout of ChatGPT to cross-promote Bing once again (like so many times before) - which we'll get as a remedy for the shitty bing results The other reason why I tend to believe this is the timeline: the success of OpenAI with GPT is just very fresh and software development doesn't go that fast that they could have fundamentally changed their search engine in that short time frame - in the way like they are trying to sell it. Spilling out Billions of dollars for data centers to roll out ChatGPT (most likely a reduce model, though) to the masses - is quite a task, but much more doable at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglejim 351 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 I haven't used a MS OS in decades now, so this is lost on me. I know I can install the browser on Linux but just haven't give it a go yet. Maybe its time to side load it along with Firefox. I have Chrome installed, not sure why.. I think I installed that to grab some favs.. I'll install edge and give it a tryout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softworkz 3335 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 There's a wait-list where you need to apply to get "the full experience". But there's a twist: They are saying that you can accelerate your application and get access faster by: Installing an application from the app store on all your devices (PC and mobile) which will Change all your chosen defaults and preferences to MS Make Edge the default browser Make Bing the default search engine on all browsers and more of these things but that's not all.... You need to be always logged in to a MS account On Windows On mobile In browsers You need to install a certain tool which observes your computer and devices to make sure you are following those rules You need to consent that this tool is collecting that data and sending it to MS Damn MS, nothing learned from Google on how to do these things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrbee99 1560 Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 Yep, gotta love A.I - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/feb/11/ai-drug-discover-nerve-agents-machine-learning-halicin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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