Peter Nent 50 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Microsoft stopped developing WMC a few years ago; is there really no chance Emby continues developing WMC (or parts of it), as Emby (earlier Mediabrowser) started years ago as a plug-in for WMC....thus Emby has its 'roots' in WMC..... Why not speak with the guys at Microsoft in order to try to find a solution for the future of WMC, for example as a 'marriage' of WMC+Emby.....maybe with some kind of Xbox integration, etc.....wooow ! Or is this a 'political' impossible item ? Like to hear your responses ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37064 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 There is a community project to run windows media center on windows 10. Also you can check out emby theater: https://emby.media/downloads/emby-theater/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathsquirrel 741 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Microsoft stopped developing WMC a few years ago; is there really no chance Emby continues developing WMC (or parts of it), as Emby (earlier Mediabrowser) started years ago as a plug-in for WMC....thus Emby has its 'roots' in WMC..... Why not speak with the guys at Microsoft in order to try to find a solution for the future of WMC, for example as a 'marriage' of WMC+Emby.....maybe with some kind of Xbox integration, etc.....wooow ! Or is this a 'political' impossible item ? Like to hear your responses ! Microsoft is generally not in the habit of turning over their code to open source projects just because they currently aren't working with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellomade 140 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Why would anyone want to bother with that? There are so many media center players out there that are FAR better than WMC could ever dream to be. Even sub $100 Android TV boxes do a better job. The bottom line is that Emby doesn't need WMC - it is doing just fine on its own. The only thing WMC still has going for it is the fact that it is virtually the only player available that supports DRM'd cable TV systems. And that is not because it is a good media center app (for TV it isn't bad actually) - but because MS has the vast resources to pony up the PlayReady licensing fees that are too steep for open-source third parties to do. Other than that - Emby (for Kodi ) is your best bet for everything sans what was mentioned above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37064 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Why would anyone want to bother with that? There are so many media center players out there that are FAR better than WMC could ever dream to be. Even sub $100 Android TV boxes do a better job. The bottom line is that Emby doesn't need WMC - it is doing just fine on its own. The only thing WMC still has going for it is the fact that it is virtually the only player available that supports DRM'd cable TV systems. And that is not because it is a good media center app (for TV it isn't bad actually) - but because MS has the vast resources to pony up the PlayReady licensing fees that are too steep for open-source third parties to do. Other than that - Emby (for Kodi ) is your best bet for everything sans what was mentioned above. have to give credit where credit is due though. pretty much everything draws inspiration from wmc in one way or another. In it's heyday I think MS did a really nice job with it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellomade 140 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 have to give credit where credit is due though. pretty much everything draws inspiration from wmc in one way or another. In it's heyday I think MS did a really nice job with it. Absolutely no doubt about that! But the as revolutionary as Ford's Model T was in 1908 - driving around in one today is unthinkable. And on the tech timeline - Windows XP might as well have been 1908. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37064 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 I think Wmc would still be supported right now if they had made add development for it easier. The only major content provider with an add-on was netflix. If it had been easier that would have led to more apps which would have increased the audience. If netflix, amazon, hulu, etc all had apps for wmc, I think the audience would have been at least large enough to force them to support it for a longer period of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellomade 140 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Still...dead is dead. Time to move on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyFr79 228 Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Why would anyone want to bother with that? There are so many media center players out there that are FAR better than WMC could ever dream to be. Even sub $100 Android TV boxes do a better job. The bottom line is that Emby doesn't need WMC - it is doing just fine on its own. The only thing WMC still has going for it is the fact that it is virtually the only player available that supports DRM'd cable TV systems. And that is not because it is a good media center app (for TV it isn't bad actually) - but because MS has the vast resources to pony up the PlayReady licensing fees that are too steep for open-source third parties to do. Other than that - Emby (for Kodi ) is your best bet for everything sans what was mentioned above. And yet NONE of them support CableCard fully like WMC does.............. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellomade 140 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 And yet NONE of them support CableCard fully like WMC does.............. Which is exactly what I said in the middle of that paragraph you quoted..... It will be interesting to see what you all think of the Silicondust DVR when it is ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softworkz 3335 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 At this time, I couldn't imagine to move away from WMC due to its unparalleled user experience with regards to live TV (SAT and Cable, even scrambled). I tried quite a few SAT/Cable "Set Top Boxes" and many of the current so called "Smart TV" integrated UIs, but there was nothing that could compare to WMC's UI. Regarding alternate software solutions for TV reception: Last time I looked around checking for serious WMC replacements, I found none. Nothing even close... Anybody having a WMC replacement suggestion for me? (SAT, Cable reception in Europe) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37064 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Maybe instead of having the mindset of "I wont' use Emby Theater until it has XXX", get onboard and become active in the community providing feedback so that you can help shape where it goes and ensure it ultimately has what you want. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronvp 92 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 There is a community project to run windows media center on windows 10. Any way you can post a link to that project? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy2Play 8281 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Any way you can post a link to that project? I believe he is referring to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softworkz 3335 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) Maybe instead of having the mindset of "I wont' use Emby Theater until it has XXX", get onboard and become active in the community providing feedback so that you can help shape where it goes and ensure it ultimately has what you want. I can split my life into three different phases of media consumption: Work (no consumption, no testing, no development) Hobby (minimal consumption, voluntary development and testing) Private (consumption only, no development and testing) The third phase is the most important and most sensitive one. Here I'm expecting nothing else but perfection and flawless UI. I even get upset when encountering a situation where I need to grab the keyboard to do something that can't be done via the remote or to reset in some way. Or, put differently: For my personal use, I need to have something that reliably works on a day-to-day basis right now - with no testing, training or development... Edited February 7, 2016 by softworkz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyFr79 228 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Which is exactly what I said in the middle of that paragraph you quoted..... It will be interesting to see what you all think of the Silicondust DVR when it is ready. Considering I have a pair of 4 tuner Cetons running in my setup, I won't be switching to SD any time soon, way too much to invest in their stuff to get the same tuner count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softworkz 3335 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Considering I have a pair of 4 tuner Cetons running in my setup, I won't be switching to SD any time soon, way too much to invest in their stuff to get the same tuner count. You mean 4 Cetons operated by WMC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softworkz 3335 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Maybe instead of having the mindset of "I wont' use Emby Theater until it has XXX", get onboard and become active in the community providing feedback so that you can help shape where it goes and ensure it ultimately has what you want. Actually I'm not into any kind of "mindset".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyFr79 228 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 You mean 4 Cetons operated by WMC? No I mean I have dual quad tuners equaling 8 total tuners for wmc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softworkz 3335 Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 So, nobody does have any suggestions for a realistic WMC replacement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyFr79 228 Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Not if you need Cable Card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronvp 92 Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 the only thing that shows promise is the HDHomerun DVR app with the Kodi plugin. IT should handle the encrypted stuff. The HDhomrrun app is so far behind with what they promised, early funders should ask their money back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
softworkz 3335 Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 Not if you need Cable Card How about SAT (in Europe)? HDHomerun DVR app with the Kodi plugin. IT should handle the encrypted stuff I'm not looking for something that "should" work. There are quite a few projects that _can_ do live tv, even scrambled, no problem. The actual point is the user experience (especially when operated with a remote control, only). It is smooth, quick, responsive, intuitive, easy to understand (even for women ;-), comfortable, stable, flexible, etc etc etc. WMC's UI concept has been developed so many years ago, but there is still nothing like it (to my knowledge!). I hope for an alternative solution with adequate quality and UE at some time in the future, or someone hinting me about an existing project that could serve as a valid replacement today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronvp 92 Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 A absolutely agree that WMC is the best interface to run on a TV. Nothing comes close. How music and picture playback is handled and managed is intuitive and it looks good. The WMC handling of live TV and cablecard tuners is light years ahead of anything else. The way the guide is integrated and recording is done just good and reliable. I always had a slight hope that the emby team would try to fill this gap and replicate the WMC interface (for the most part) KODI is just clunky, hard to configure and not user friendly. WAF factor is negative, it has a thing going with Silicondust to get us encrypted channels, but this project is moving sooo sloooow, I gave up on it. MediaPortal is way behind of where it should . They are threatening to come out with 2.0 for years now and it too handles Music and pictures horrible. TV is unusable and no support for encrypted channels PLEX is really coming into its own. They too are working on a new theater version. Big BIg problem they have is: No live TV. otherwise a great set of programs and it is server based. From all systems out there, WMC with the EMBY plugin is still by far the best. Right now, EMBY server is beginning to suffer from over-featurizing and what was originally announced as their main app (ET) and possible WMC replacement is suffering from lack of focus. My opinion is that most media center programs spend too much time to run on too many systems, rather than just picking 1 or 2 mainstream OS's and do those really good. Finally, Free is nice, but I rather pay and have excellence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke 37064 Posted February 13, 2016 Share Posted February 13, 2016 I don't know where you're getting your information, but there's no lack of focus on Emby Theater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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