Remote user settings - which one is used?

[justinrh 260]

The server Network page shows 1 stream:

 

But the user acct page shows unlimited:

 

Which value is in effect for remote connections?  Is the second just for local connections or remote or both?

[Carlo 4561]

They both apply.  So one is saying unlimited and the other is saying only 1 stream.

So EVERY user will only get 1 stream to use since that is the more limiting entry.

You might find 1 stream interferes with Live TV when changing channels without going back to the guide or using play next episode for TV Series.

[justinrh 260]

3 minutes ago, cayars said:

So EVERY user will only get 1 stream to use since that is the more limiting entry.

Ah, so is the network setting a global value to restrict total streams?  Like if two users wanted to watch a video, both could not, only one user at a time could stream?

And, is this only for remote connections or does it apply to local and remote (combined)?

[Carlo 4561]

It's per user.  One is global for all users and the other is specific to a particular user.

So If I want to limit everyone to 3 streams I would do this in the network section.  Then if I had two users I want to limit to 2 streams I would do that for each of the two users.

Hopefully that explains it better.

[justinrh 260]

13 minutes ago, cayars said:

Then if I had two users I want to limit to 2 streams I would do that for each of the two users

But still only 3 streams could be going on at any given time, correct?

[rodainas 191]

6 minutes ago, justinrh said:

But still only 3 streams could be going on at any given time, correct?

No, 

The global one is a rule that apply to each user.

The other is just user specific.

If you use the global one and have 3 streams, and 10 users are connected to the server, every one of those 10 users will get 3 streams.

[justinrh 260]

2 hours ago, rodainas said:

If you use the global one and have 3 streams, and 10 users are connected to the server, every one of those 10 users will get 3 streams.

This assumes each user is set to 3 or higher streams??

The UI is confusing (or at least lacking details to convey usage to the user).  If the network param says 'max streams', that is what I'm expecting.  It says "Limit the number of concurrent video playback sessions."  So, if this is not happening (like in above stated example) then the description is wrong.

[Happy2Play 9783]

Depends on the context as it is a global per user setting.

[justinrh 260]

Dude, that is exactly what I"m asking about.  An answer to my questions would help me be clear, not stating what has already been stated.

Okay, it is global, but who rules, the global or the user setting?  THIS is the question.

[Happy2Play 9783]

Network is global per user, User is a user setting.  Don't know how else it can be explained.  But if a Network and User are set, User will supercede Network is my understanding.

But have never tested setting User to a higher value then Network.

[justinrh 260]

Well, you got closer to answering.    User setting supersedes network setting.  Saying what they are doesn't help explain behavior between the two.   Sure, there is a global setting (how that applies is not evident!) and there is a user setting -- but how do they interact is the question.  Thanks for answering (both you and rodainas).

I'm tellin' ya, the UI is confusing, certainly not self-explanatory.  Sorry for being dunce, but the UI doesn't explain what this post has exposed.  Maybe changing the text for the settings would go a long way.

 

And, I would expect a global global setting, like 10 max ever.

Edited June 30, 2021 by justinrh

[rodainas 191]

4 minutes ago, justinrh said:

Well, you got closer to answering.    User setting supersedes network setting.  Saying what they are doesn't help explain behavior between the two.   Sure, there is a global setting (how that applies is not evident!) and there is a user setting -- but how do they interact is the question.  Thanks for answering (both you and rodainas).

I'm tellin' ya, the UI is confusing, certainly not self-explanatory.  Sorry for being dunce, but the UI doesn't explain what this post has exposed.  Maybe changing the text for the settings would go a long way.

 

And, I would expect a global global setting, like 10 max ever.

I agree with you on that respect, it can easily cause confusion there.

[Carlo 4561]

20 minutes ago, Happy2Play said:

Network is global per user, User is a user setting.  Don't know how else it can be explained.  But if a Network and User are set, User will supercede Network is my understanding.

But have never tested setting User to a higher value then Network.

I don't think so.  I believe the server will user the lower of the two settings just as it will for network bandwidth.
That's what I always assumed anyway.  Now I need to test this.

[ebr 16185]

14 hours ago, cayars said:

It's per user.  One is global for all users

I don't think this is correct but Luke can confirm.  I'm pretty sure the one in the "Network" settings is global to the server.  IOW - if you set that to 3 then only 3 streams will be allowed - regardless of user sessions.  This is so that you can manage your global upload bandwidth.  For example, you have an upload pipe of 20Mb so you set each user's max bitrate to 5 and set this number to 4 and you know you'll never go over that 20.

It is correct that the more restrictive setting will take precedence.

[Carlo 4561]

@ebr

That is interesting and if the case, we should clean up the language and I can update the KB area as well to make this clearer.

Network bitrate set in networking menu is max per any remote user not total bitrate of all users?
Streams set in Network menu is TOTAL for all users but not a max for any remote individual?

So without any individual user settings but a network bitrate setting of 10Mb with 10 remote users you could be using theoretically close to 100Mb.
However if network streams is set to 5 then a max of 5 streams is allowed which could all be one user (different devices/apps) up to 5 users/apps for a total of 50Mb (assuming bitrate of 10Mb as above)?

It seems funny that two similar feature for limiting would work differently.

I'll try and confirm this today with some testing.

Edited June 30, 2021 by cayars

[ebr 16185]

The labeling of those two fields seems accurate to me:

The first one indicates it limits the total number of sessions.  The second one mentions it is a limit for each device.

[Carlo 4561]

Yea I guess your right. 

I learned something about Emby Server today. LOL

Thanks