Actors are decapitated

[Guest]

31 minutes ago, cayars said:

You're not understanding what's been said as you're stuck on thinking the very picture is the way it should always look but will rarely ever look that way.  ebr told you how you can prove this yourself by changing the collection poster.

This horizontal type theme is not very popular and has fallen out of use as it's kind of clumsy to use compared to the vertical themes that are very popular.

In this theme in order for the top picture to be more narrow would mean the 3 bottom pics would need to be smaller or have their aspect ratio changed or they would have to be cropped.  One of those would have to take place to "shorten" the display.  That could then cause issues for them.  Right now those 3 pics are show proper and the top pic is sized to fit that dimension as best as possible which will most often mean having to cut the top and bottom off.

There is only so many different ways you can fit 4 things into that area.

You still aren't understanding. Please refrain from polluting this thread any further.

[Carlo 4560]

What do I not understand?

You are talking about the big box and the 3 landscape posters underneath it correct?
Those 4 images are exactly what I've been talking about.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, cayars said:

You're not understanding what's been said as you're stuck on thinking the very picture is the way it should always look but will rarely ever look that way.  ebr told you how you can prove this yourself by changing the collection poster.

 

On 7/1/2021 at 12:34 PM, ebr said:

Give your collections library a square image and you'll get the exact same presentation that is in the example.

If you guys think you can make this work, you're going to have to show pictographic evidence.

1 hour ago, cayars said:

it's kind of clumsy to use compared to the vertical themes that are very popular..

Your opinion has no place, here. But if you choose to be obnoxious enough to deposit it, the opposite is true.

1 hour ago, cayars said:

In this theme in order for the top picture to be more narrow would mean the 3 bottom pics would need to be smaller or have their aspect ratio changed or they would have to be cropped.  One of those would have to take place to "shorten" the display.  That could then cause issues for them.  Right now those 3 pics are show proper and the top pic is sized to fit that dimension as best as possible which will most often mean having to cut the top and bottom off.

You really aren't paying attention to anything other your own monologue, are you? Do you know how to read? I question this because your comprehension is poor, and your gramma, worse. But maybe English isn't your first language, and you're using a translator? If that's the case, then this would be understandable.

[ebr 16169]

23 hours ago, ebr said:

There are any number of ways this could potentially be done but the zoom and crop was a design style particularly popular in interfaces like this (back when these types of interfaces were more prevalent).  This is no longer our default view for the app but, perhaps, it can be adjusted in some way in the future.

I think we all understand what you are saying.  What we're saying is this is a design style by choice in that particular presentation.  I understand you don't like the choice but there isn't anything to be "fixed" but, perhaps, it will change in the future.

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, ebr said:

I think we all understand what you are saying.  What we're saying is this is a design style by choice in that particular presentation.  I understand you don't like the choice but there isn't anything to be "fixed" but, perhaps, it will change in the future.

Actually, your support guy doesn't understand it at all. But that aside, I have shown that a change has been made, that has resulted in reduction of the main tile. The opposite should happen. The main tile is the main focus on that page. So isn't or logical to preserve that, as best as possible. Instead, the lower insignificant tiles have been given priority.

Edited July 2, 2021 by generiq

[ebr 16169]

1 minute ago, generiq said:

The main tile is the main focus on that pag

That is actually just a random "spotlight" item. 

1 minute ago, generiq said:

Instead, the lower insignificant tiles have been given priority

Their significance is subjective.  In fact, the only reason you think the large one is the "main" tile is because it is first and largest and, doing what you are asking would actually make it smaller overall.  But, again, this is just a design style (zoom and crop) that was popular back when this screen was first implemented.  Now, even this entire presentation is no longer popular so I admit that we don't spend much time on it.  However, it is still just a design choice and there could be many different ones of those.

[arrbee99 1815]

Its certainly popular with me.

But anyway, if the essential problem is decapitation (as it would be to most people...) maybe the zoom bit of zoom and crop could zoom in on a location higher up on the image than is done at the moment ?

[roaku 842]

29 minutes ago, arrbee99 said:

Its certainly popular with me.

But anyway, if the essential problem is decapitation (as it would be to most people...) maybe the zoom bit of zoom and crop could zoom in on a location higher up on the image than is done at the moment ?

The problem is that the next image to show up in that spot will require a different 'pan and scan' to get the best framing. And the next. And the next...

 

[arrbee99 1815]

2 minutes ago, roaku said:

The problem is that the next image to show up in that spot will require a different 'pan and scan' to get the best framing. And the next. And the next...

 

True, but everything is a compromise and there would, I imagine, be more chance of including peoples heads or eyes that way. Probably.

And I really like that random focus item to liven things up instead of rows and rows of posters...

Edited July 2, 2021 by arrbee99

[Guest]

55 minutes ago, ebr said:

That is actually just a random "spotlight" item. 

Their significance is subjective.  In fact, the only reason you think the large one is the "main" tile is because it is first and largest and, doing what you are asking would actually make it smaller overall.  But, again, this is just a design style (zoom and crop) that was popular back when this screen was first implemented.  Now, even this entire presentation is no longer popular so I admit that we don't spend much time on it.  However, it is still just a design choice and there could be many different ones of those.

I think you're making a succession of wrong assumptions. If your statement is the way in which you view this, then we are in opposition. The only reason I use Emby is because of the appearance (the UI). There are a number of alternate ways in which to play my media. The actual size of that image is irrelevant. The important aspect is that the images look correct. People with no heads, is obviously not correct. Removal of any focal aspect of an image, is not correct. Would anyone like it if their wedding photos had the heads missing from the bride and groom? Or the bride was cut off at the knee? I think not. It's astonishing to me that you care so little for your own work. Two developers and the support...all you want to do is deny, deny, deny. You make statements that are unequivocally wrong, without so much as testing if you can actually do what you suggest. This has now become circular. All you needed to do was reduce the bottom three tiles, keep their aspect ratio, thereby retaining the correct shape, reduce overall width, and increase the height of the top tile...and you're done! But instead, all any of you want to do is argue! So be it! I now understand how this company operates. It is a waste of time to report issues and to offer easily achieved solutions. 

[Carlo 4560]

1 hour ago, generiq said:

Actually, your support guy doesn't understand it at all.

He get's the issue.  You just don't like his answers of why it's not straightforward or easy to "fix" as it was designed this way.

You can't get the same aspect ratio with 1 image using the same width of 3 images.  One or the other has to get cropped or stretched.
You could do this with 4 images but then the bottom images would be smaller yet or the top image would be even bigger.

The only "realistic" solution to this might be to crop the top and bottom differently.  For example we could "shift" the cropped part up more or just crop from the top of the image down only cutting the bottom off.  That would make sure no heads were decapitated but then some people would have no legs. LOL

[Guest]

19 hours ago, cayars said:

 You just don't like his answers 

Does anyone like incorrect answers?

This is very simple. It would appear that the third tile was resized without being aware that it was being resized. This implies that it is very easy to do. Yes, it is easy, any answer to the contrary is just you guys simply not wanting to do it. As the main tile apparently resizes based on how much space is available, all that actually needs to be done, is resize the bottom three tiles. They are already too big. And in fact, the only tile there that is of any real use, is the all movies. That should be on top, and there should only be three tiles. All movies, favourites and collections. So that would be even easier, just have two tiles on the bottom. Also, why does favourites pick a random image? I have no favourites, i.e. none of my media has been marked as favourite. 

[Guest]

So, something like this. I think this is much better. Nothing cut off, and more options available on the page. And for the all movies tile, you could randomize the images. In its present format, it's actually randomizing movie choices. Does anyone actually use that to pick a video to watch? If you really want something great, give options to choose which tiles are presented, so we can have the options we will actually use.

Edited July 3, 2021 by generiq

[Carlo 4560]

The two 16:9 boxes on the left are different sizes than on the right which looks funny.  You've also lost functionality as well as you can't click on the bonus movie even though it's being shown.

[speechles 2055]

Does the above look familiar? That is because that style of UI was designed for gaming.
That big spotlight image in the middle is using scale to zoom (ScaleToZoom) and will crop.

This type of UI is 2008. It is 13 years old and an angst filled teenager.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/26/21152674/xbox-design-history-360-one-series-x-console-dashboard

 

You can argue it is cute. It can be fixed. But it really should be replaced. This is not the future any longer. It is the past.

Edited July 3, 2021 by speechles

[arrbee99 1815]

I still think you just need to move the focus a bit higher up to where heads / eyes are more likely to be and problem (mostly) solved. I still like the general design and horizontal scrolling.

[speechles 2055]

10 minutes ago, arrbee99 said:

I still think you just need to move the focus a bit higher up to where heads / eyes are more likely to be and problem (mostly) solved. I still like the general design and horizontal scrolling.

You want ScaleToZoom with alignment to Top? ScaleToZoom defaults to Center but you can align to Top or Bottom or anywhere in between. Using Top would chop off heads that might be lying down in the image (think music). The inverse of the problem there is now.

Edited July 3, 2021 by speechles

[arrbee99 1815]

7 minutes ago, speechles said:

You want ScaleToZoom with alignment to Top? ScaleToZoom defaults to Center but you can align to Top or Bottom or anywhere in between. Using Top would chop off heads that might be lying down in the image (think music). The inverse of the problem there is now.

Not align to Top, but you did say anywhere in between. Maybe it could align at say 30% from the top or something similar. I know it would be a compromise, but it might be a slightly more successful one and worth a try.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, cayars said:

The two 16:9 boxes on the left are different sizes than on the right which looks funny.  You've also lost functionality as well as you can't click on the bonus movie even though it's being shown.

The boxes on the right is emby changing them. They were taken directly from the UI, unchanged. We gain functionality, not lose it. There's more on the screen than before. The 'bonus' movie....is bs. Are you six years old? It's an annoyance.

Edited July 4, 2021 by generiq

[Guest]

3 hours ago, speechles said:

You can argue it is cute. It can be fixed. But it really should be replaced. This is not the future any longer. It is the past.

Why isn't anyone understanding this? Zooming and cropping is hideous! They should be static images. Just display the image without changing its dimensions (other than reducing the overall size, of course). Which is what my mockup is doing.

Oh dear! I can see this really isn't going anywhere.

Epic fail for Emby 

[Luke 42077]

Try restarting the app and see how it compares. Thanks.

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, Luke said:

Try restarting the app and see how it compares. Thanks.

It's a little better, definitely going in the right direction.....but look at this. I think it speaks for itself.

[arrbee99 1815]

It seems to be better to me.

[Guest]

32 minutes ago, generiq said:

It's a little better, definitely going in the right direction.....but look at this. I think it speaks for itself.

Oh! My apologies. That image is actually cut off, anyway. Not this bad, but still a lot. So I'll just wait and see what the other images look like, over time. But as I said, this is improvement 

[ebr 16169]

12 hours ago, generiq said:

The 'bonus' movie....is bs

But that is the image you are complaining about.  It is a "Spotlight" movie - just like the Xbox example posted here.