Emby what happens when Jellyfin becomes just as good if not better ?

[ng4ever 40]

Will it be a great challenge for Emby or will it just push you all to improve Emby even more?

I know the ease of use Emby has the edge.

Just curious what you all will do when this happens. Of course it does not mean it will but it is bound to.

 

[Happy2Play 9780]

I guess that is a matter of opinion but jellyfin is just a fork of Emby 3 years ago.

[ng4ever 40]

Just now, Happy2Play said:

I guess that is a matter of opinion but jellyfin is just a fork of Emby 3 years ago.

Your right that is true.

 

[Carlo 4560]

32 minutes ago, Happy2Play said:

I guess that is a matter of opinion but jellyfin is just a fork of Emby 3 years ago.

True but at the rate they are making changes to improve the core code and clients they are more like 5 to 6 years behind at least.

[ng4ever 40]

Just now, cayars said:

True but at the rate they are making changes to improve the core code and clients they are more like 5 to 6 years behind at least.

Interesting.

It is ok if it takes a long time for them to catch up.

I just like how when there is more than one company (I guess you could call it that idk) that does the same thing so it keeps them all on their toes with features and wanting to improve constantly!

[CBers 7450]

2 minutes ago, cayars said:

True but at the rate they are making changes to improve the core code and clients they are more like 5 to 6 years behind at least.

And yet they have a few things that Emby hasn't got yet, even though they have been requested for many years by Emby users. 

 

 

[Carlo 4560]

Problem is they will never catch up as they are falling more and more behind as time goes on.  Emby is like a coding rocket ship while JF is more like Cessna.
Even feature they both have can be a world of difference between them such as tone mapping.

That's not to say Emby is better in every feature/facet but as whole Emby is far more mature.
They do also have a couple of things Emby does not.  How useful they are to the general population, I'm not sure.

[Happy2Play 9780]

LOL and what should take priority?  Just because something is requested years ago does not give it priority over something request tomorrow.  But it is still about what has to change for the request to be accomplished. 

[CBers 7450]

5 minutes ago, Happy2Play said:

LOL and what should take priority?  Just because something is requested years ago does not give it priority over something request tomorrow.  But it is still about what has to change for the request to be accomplished. 

If that was in reply to me, then it just shows that many hands make light work. 

They have a TEAM of developers working on JF, whereas Emby has Luke and Eric, each specialising in their own areas. 

There may be a few other devs on the Emby team, but they aren't the core developers (no disrespect). 

JF just get things done, quicker. 

I still much prefer Emby, but JF is now a solid alternative to both Plex and Emby. 

Thanks. 

 

[Happy2Play 9780]

1 minute ago, CBers said:

If that was in reply to me, then it just shows that many hands make light work. 

They have a TEAM of developers working on JF, whereas Emby has Luke and Eric, each specialising in their own areas. 

There may be a few other devs on the Emby team, but they aren't the core developers (no disrespect). 

JF just get things done, quicker. 

I still much prefer Emby, but JF is now a solid alternative to both Plex and Emby. 

Thanks. 

 

And with their Team I have not seen any improvement in my opinion.  But this is still back to everyone will have their own opinion as there are users that prefer Plex.

[CBers 7450]

4 minutes ago, Happy2Play said:

this is still back to everyone will have their own opinion

Totally agree. 

 

[Carlo 4560]

7 minutes ago, CBers said:

They have a TEAM of developers working on JF, whereas Emby has Luke and Eric, each specialising in their own areas. 

There may be a few other devs on the Emby team, but they aren't the core developers (no disrespect). 

Not true.  Emby has many full time devs and even more part time devs.
Many are "closset devs"

3 minutes ago, Happy2Play said:

And with their Team I have not seen any improvement in my opinion.  But this is still back to everyone will have their own opinion as there are users that prefer Plex.

That's how I feel as well. Once a couple of the internal "alpha" things hit the differences will be even more dramatic.

I personally like competition and ideas so I wish them luck.  Over time the two will become more and more different and JF will take on more of it's own personality which is a good thing.

[CBers 7450]

9 hours ago, cayars said:

Not true.  Emby has many full time devs and even more part time devs.

As I said, "There may be a few other devs on the Emby team, but they aren't the core developers (no disrespect).".
 

[vdatanet 1617]

10 hours ago, CBers said:

I still much prefer Emby, but JF is now a solid alternative to both Plex and Emby.

Maybe on the server side, but on the client side they are light years away from Plex and Emby.

[Gilgamesh_48 1240]

To be honest I believe Emby has nothing to fear from JellyFarce. It was stolen (technically not stolen but effectively it was) because Emby did not properly protect their code early on. Since they stole the code the program has fallen steadily further behind and will continue to do so for any future that does not include Nuclear Holocaust.

JellyFarce is much like the Pointless Forest" in the "Land of Point" in that it has points but is really basically pointless. It fills a "need" that really does not exist except for a small disgruntled group that just wants "different" even if it is not truly better.

If the developers for JellyFarce were really any good they would not have needed Emby's code as a starting place. Poor developers produce poor to bad code.

Edited June 24, 2021 by Gilgamesh_48

[Carlo 4560]

4 hours ago, CBers said:

As I said, "There may be a few other devs on the Emby team, but they aren't the core developers (no disrespect).".
 

I'd still disagree with that but it guess it comes down to what you consider a "core developer"? Take softworkz (whom most people see on the forums) as just one example, who basically works on nothing but the "core" be it transcoding, tone mapping, protocols, hardware, new live TV, etc

Now if you want to say Luke and Eric are the architects/designers, call the shots, make the decisions, then sure I'd most definitely agree with that as it's their company and they are the big cheeses, even if one is still the chief bottle washer.  LOL

So yea, those two guys calls the shots, set the agenda, but they have a workforce of full and part time people they manage as well.

[CBers 7450]

43 minutes ago, cayars said:

So yea, those two guys calls the shots, set the agenda, but they have a workforce of full and part time people they manage as well.

Gone are the days of openness about who does what at Emby LLC.

 

[Luke 42077]

We're paying professional software developers to write code for us. Most of them are not going to want user support in forums and social media added to their job responsibility. There are dedicated staff for different types of roles, and it is best to allow everyone to focus on doing what they do best. In fact, some of them move so quickly that we actually have cases of new features that are temporarily hidden because they are waiting on me to go in and review and then make it available for you all for testing.

[gillmacca01 211]

Jellyfin better than Emby?

Yes, it will happen, when hell freezes over

[Deathsquirrel 745]

I suppose it's possible but it would be pretty surprising.  Their project goal requires full time developers.  Their project model can't really provide those.  They may come up with some great, innovative features that spur the pro tools to do more, but it's not likely a small project of people that just didn't want to pay for something that's pretty inexpensive and in a niche market are going to build a competitive product.

[Dreakon13 143]

Seems to me like Plex is as corporate as something like this gets.  A polished-to-death product with very little consideration of user feedback, focus on the bottom line, etc.  Jellyfin is totally grassroots.  Maybe they're great at turning things around, I dunno since I don't use it, but there's also way less expectations.  A niche userbase in a niche market on free open source software, that is okay with having to tinker with things (and maybe even want to, to some degree).

Emby falls somewhere in the middle, which IMO is perfect for something like this.  You see way better support, flexibility and quicker turnarounds than Plex, and a more genuine approach to user feedback even if it doesn't always work out the way you want it to... but there's a method to the madness that leads to a functional product with every release and mostly meeting the expectations of a larger userbase that needs a certain level of stability and accessibility.

That doesn't stop me from hoping Plex and Jellyfin both keep improving and push Emby to new heights though.

Edited June 24, 2021 by Dreakon13

[BillOatman 596]

22 hours ago, cayars said:

Problem is they will never catch up as they are falling more and more behind as time goes on.  Emby is like a coding rocket ship while JF is more like Cessna.
Even feature they both have can be a world of difference between them such as tone mapping.

That's not to say Emby is better in every feature/facet but as whole Emby is far more mature.
They do also have a couple of things Emby does not.  How useful they are to the general population, I'm not sure.

And that is in fact the beauty of open source.  Emby is severely limited, to the best of my knowledge, in resources able to work on the code.  Whereas Jellyfin, as open source, has a potentially unlimited set resources to tap into.  Which in and of itself can sometimes be more of a curse than a help.  But the potential is there, and in the "happy path" case it would not take long to catch or surpass Emby and Plex as well, at least in theory.  Only time will tell. But it is clear that "never catch up" as an absolute statement would be false.

 

@ng4everAll it would mean is there would be another choice, similar and with the same bloodlines as Emby and Plex, to choose from.

Edited June 24, 2021 by BillOatman

[Carlo 4560]

Except it usually never works out that way in theory or practice for a "clone/fork".  It's really hard to attract great coders who will work for free putting in a couple/few hours every day without some monetary benefit.

If this was some unique software with nothing similar to it then it's a different story because the only way to get what you need is by building it.  But in the Emby/JF would it's different as JF is a nearly a 4 year old fork of Emby.  JF was started by those who didn't want to support Emby with monetary funds. Now they need to work without charging and hoping for a few contributions here and there which sort of goes against how they started. Kind of Ironic!

But the problem for them is that, many (not all of course) people would just spend the money on Emby instead to get the state of the art version of the fork with way better clients and more advanced features and support. Some of the funding they do get will be from people using JF for purposes Emby would not allow under the TOS.

I know everyone is different but I can say I'd never personally jump into a fork and put in tons of time if I could get a lifetime license to the real deal for just over a $100 bucks as that's an hour or two of programming time!

Making matter even harder/worse if if you use JF for TV/DVR as you would need to shell out $ for a 3rd party guide which could end up costing more than the Emby License.

So they've sort of boxed themselves in to an extent on funding compared to many other software companies or open source projects.

[BillOatman 596]

16 minutes ago, cayars said:

Except it usually never works out that way in theory or practice for a "clone/fork".  It's really hard to attract great coders who will work for free putting in a couple/few hours every day without some monetary benefit.

I absolutely agree.  That's why I said it can be a curse.  Having bad coders try and contribute can take more time and resources than not having them at all.

18 minutes ago, cayars said:

Making matter even harder/worse if if you use JF for TV/DVR as you would need to shell out $ for a 3rd party guide which could end up costing more than the Emby License.

There are free options, at least currently.  I use the IPTVBoss guide data, even for my OTA channels and find it extremely accurate.  But for less technically inclined people that would be a big draw for Emby or Plex.

[RanmaCanada 494]

Jellyfin is a joke and it all started because a stupid neckbeard got angry when Luke put a nag screen into the original software while it was under GPL.  The "dev" hounded and hounded Luke for I believe over a year for the source code to everything that was open source, and even attempted to get the source code to the closed sourced apps.  They did not like it when Luke told them no.  Jellyfin like most FOSS projects is dependent on the community, and that community is filled with a bunch of lazy, give me my free stuff, users.  There are some zealots who do it just for the thrill of open source projects, but the majority of users are people who just don't want to pay.

As for Jellyfin ever become better than Emby, not going to happen, EVER. Over 90% of the code base is still Luke's, and they've had, what, 3+ years to changed that?  It's obvious they have no ambition to be better, they just want to not pay for the devs' hard work.