Audio track language no longer showing

[GothsterC 50]

Hello,

  I just upgraded to Emby 4.6.0.50 and am running on Windows 10.  After the upgrade, I no longer see the language for any audio track as I did before on my MKV files.

It now says AAC Stereo where before it would say English AAC Stereo or Spanish AAC Stereo.  I can no longer see the difference between between the tracks.  Please fix.  This one is a big deal.

Thanks.

[Carlo 4561]

Hi, can you show the media info section (bottom of detail page) of one of these files from the wb app please?

[crusher11 1101]

Dude, seriously? It's the exact same thing as my thread in the testing area, which you've been participating in. C'mon.

 

[Carlo 4561]

Different person, different media and we are trying to learn how different people have things setup so we need to see examples from multiple people as well as learn why the media is the way it is.  We know why your media is that way of course from the other threads.

[rbjtech 5284]

The key thing to understand is the OP using 'embedded titles' ?

If this setting is ticked (per library) - then this explains why the language has been removed.

If not, then there is an unrelated issue and it has nothing to do with embedded titles.

 

[Luke 42078]

Yes try unchecking that box.

[GothsterC 50]

OP here.

I tried unchecking the 'Prefer embedded titles over filenames' and refreshed.  No difference.

I'm not talking about the MKV title.  My tags are perfect so I prefer the tags over a filename for movie titles.

The issue is how the audio track name appears.  Before it was a concatenation of the MKV language tag followed by the audio track name tag from the MKV file.  It would be great if you could restore that behavior so I don't have to update the name tag of every audio track in every file.  BTW, the language tag is still used correctly for subtitle tracks.  How I have tagged my MKVs hasn't changed and it worked perfectly before, so I am just asking for the behavior we had before to be restored.  Thanks.

Just FYI.  Here's more:

This is what I do with my tags.  The Title tag is used for the movie title (no issues).  For audio tracks,  I use the track number, track UID, Commentary Flag, Default track flag, Name and language.  The Name tag looks like AC-3 Stereo or AC-3 Stereo Commentary.  The language tag is always filled in.

 

 The first image shows no English AC-3 Stereo like it used to.

[Luke 42078]

That's not the option we mean, sorry. I'm referring to the one in advanced library settings 

[GothsterC 50]

OK.  I see what you mean.  I see it now and also looked at the thread about this by @crusher11.

I do agree with @crusher11 and prefer how it was done before.  It looks redundant to have 2 description lines for each track and then after the track is selected, you no longer see the tag's name of the track.  But at least you have both in the pop-up menu so I can tell the difference between regular, music only, commentary or descriptive audio tracks.

Because my tags are perfect, I would rather have the previous behavior when you say to prefer the embedded info and have the language prepended.  It wouldn't be hard to do:

if language exists and embeddedTitle does not start with language, title= language + space + embeddedTitle.

 

[GothsterC 50]

Another problem caused by this.  Because in order to see the language now, I can no longer use embedded titles, my video track titles no longer show up.

I used the video track title field to put in such info as Director's Cut.  That was necessary since you wouldn't know that unless you have multiple versions of the same movie and you would get that information in the pull-down from the filename.  If you have a single version and want to display Director's Cut, the only way I found was to edit my video track title tag.  When I was using embedded titles that worked great.  But now I can't use embedded titles if I want to see the audio track language unless I want to edit thousands of files.  Not happy with this change at all.  Is there some way I can roll back to the previous release?

[Carlo 4561]

You can't roll back.  If you have a full backup you could use that however to restore to an earlier point in time.

[Carlo 4561]

1 hour ago, GothsterC said:

 

I realize this is about audio tracks but looking at your media info pic I wanted to know what's the difference in your two subs?

[Carlo 4561]

Personally I don't see how this can work for both schools of thought on tags without an admin option to choose what's displayed similar to:

Title
Language, Codec
Language, Codec, Channels

So with the above example you could have
AC-3 Stereo
English AC3
English AC3 2ch

[GothsterC 50]

Not sure.  I just use MakeMKV to rip my Blu-Rays and grab whatever English subs are there.

[GothsterC 50]

@cayars  I like your solution if you could also add Language, Title to the list, so I could have what I want and that is English AC-3 Stereo.

Because people have different ways of tagging, we could have a series of options for the Audio tracks like 4 pulldown options.  Each pulldown would have the same choices and people can use them to create the displayed title any way they want.

You would have None, Language, Name, Codec and Channels.

So if I pick Language for the first and Name for the second and leave the rest at None.  Then I would get what I want.  Those who don't have consistent tags would not use the prefer embedded tags method.  I would like to go back to that so I can once again see my video track names which worked when I was able to prefer embedded titles.

[crusher11 1101]

In an ideal world, give me a list of all the metadata info and let me add them to the display in whatever order I see fit.

If I want Language, Title, Channels I can do that. If I want Title, Channels, Language I can do that. Etc.

But the language returning as an option would suffice.

 

[rbjtech 5284]

What are the scenario's where you cannot get the results you need from the recommended setup ?

My version of the African Queen (as per the above example) shows 'English AC3 stereo' - derived from the correct fields [language] [codec] [channels], not the embedded title.

Perhaps it would be better to fix or give options for those, rather than go down the rabbit hole of more user options for something that is not recommended anyway ?

[Carlo 4561]

The problem @rbjtechis that some users spent a great deal of time editing their files to get the display they wanted/needed then the server code was changed and no longer displays the information the same way it did in 4.5.

[GothsterC 50]

@rbjtech  If I do not use the embedded titles, I also get the same result as you for the audio track, but then I lose the display of the video track info I added to the video name field.  I also prefer the old display of the selection popup that didn't show two rows: one for the derived title and one for the embedded title.  I would prefer to use the embedded title information as it was before.  Regardless of what is considered "recommended" or "proper" to put in the audio track name field, I spent a lot of time tuning my tags to get the display I wanted specifically for Emby as @cayarsmentioned.  Then after getting thousands upon thousands of files to have tracks perfect for Emby, the display rules get changed and now I have 2 choices: no longer uses embedded info after spending all that time getting it perfect an losing my other tags or use the embedded titles but I can no longer see the language unless I go and add the language to the name field for thousands of files.  If it was one way before, it should stay that way or offer the user a way to keep it the way it was.  Changing the rules after all this time is not a user-friendly thing to do.

 

[rbjtech 5284]

13 minutes ago, cayars said:

The problem @rbjtechis that some users spent a great deal of time editing their files to get the display they wanted/needed then the server code was changed and no longer displays the information the same way it did in 4.5.

Yep - I get that - but this raises the question why they felt the need to do this in the first place ?    Why not correct those deficiencies - then they would not have to hand craft the title ...

[Carlo 4561]

Well I can't answer that as I'm not one who did that.

[rbjtech 5284]

6 minutes ago, GothsterC said:

 If it was one way before, it should stay that way or offer the user a way to keep it the way it was.  Changing the rules after all this time is not a user-friendly thing to do.

This I agree with - a simple 'append language' (if no language provided in the first word, to avoid duplicates) before displaying the title seems a reasonable compromise.

Just out of interest - what are you adding to the Video track info that emby does not display ?

Edited May 20, 2021 by rbjtech

[Happy2Play 9780]

I am confused, if only one track language is irrelevant but mine show language along with multi track.

Edited May 20, 2021 by Happy2Play

[GothsterC 50]

I take the standard resolution and codec for the video field as it appears normally and add in information about the version like Director's Cut or Unrated Version.  If you have only one version of that file in a directory, you won't see that in the display.  It only appears if you have multiple versions.

For instance I have:

Alien [1979] - Director's Cut and Alien [1979] - Theatrical Version.

Since there are two versions, I see that information in the Version selection box to the left of the Video: 1080p H264.

If I don't have two versions, I don't get that version option, so I cannot easily see what kind of version I have.

For instance if a file called The Hangover [2009] - Theatrical Version and I don't have 2 versions of that movie, then I don't see the Version option.  I asked before that this information would be added to the screen, but it never happened.  If that version could be added if present when there is a single file in the directory, then I would be fine.

So now I modify the embedded video name field to look like: Theatrical Version (1080p H264). 

[GothsterC 50]

@Happy2Play  It only shows if you do not prefer embedded titles in the Advanced Library settings.  If you use embedded titles, it doesn't show the language in front of the name field like it used to.