Emby's mechanic's of adding new episode

[CharleyVarrick 283]

2 minutes ago, GrimReaper76 said:

Well, that IS kinda strange, looking at its homepage:

https://www.tweaking4all.com/home-theatre/rename-my-tv-series-v2/

It seems a bit dated, and only TVDB API v2 is mentioned. 

@CharleyVarrick you could, for test purposes, put TMDB on top of your scraper list in Library settings and then Replace all metadata on that episode, see what'll come out of it. 

Stable is dated, I use beta last update 1 week old.

TMDB does not even account for episode past s06e05

 

[Happy2Play 9780]

Looking at the api Episode show no updated info, but series shows updated info.  So another probably know defect of v3 api.

Will test this my self be yes methods do make a difference.

3 minutes ago, CharleyVarrick said:

Sorry, I am being a pest but I pay $$ for Emby and I run into issues like this all the time

Sure but TVDB info will not be free very soon and you will be paying for it also.  Rename TV will have to change also or stop working via TVDB.

 

Edited March 13, 2021 by Happy2Play

[CharleyVarrick 283]

Ask me if I want to pay tvdb extra $ when you're telling me this problem is because of them

Not gonna happen

Even lowly tvmaze has better service

Maybe Luke should get in touch with them

 

 

Edited March 13, 2021 by CharleyVarrick

[Happy2Play 9780]

In my test adding it, it shows proper new information.  So if you Refresh the Entire Serie you will/should get new information.  Unless you have refreshed to many times as Emby will use cached information.

So a Episode refresh does not have any information in the api but the series does as I have already stated.

48 minutes ago, CharleyVarrick said:

Ask me if I want to pay tvdb extra $ when you're telling me this problem is because of them

Not gonna happen

Even lowly tvmaze has better service

Maybe Luke should get in touch with them

 

 

Don't know the extent of TVMaze costs but looks like the are/will be charging also.

Premium TV Show Tracker | TVmaze

 But the image clearly shows they appear to be querying the Series not the Episode.  So you want Emby to query the entire Series every time one episode is added?

Edited March 13, 2021 by Happy2Play

[CharleyVarrick 283]

12 hours ago, Happy2Play said:

 But the image clearly shows they appear to be querying the Series not the Episode.  So you want Emby to query the entire Series every time one episode is added?

When Emby's plan A is failing repeatedly, I wish Emby had a plan B

 

When I add a perfectly name episode in Emby, I expect it should appear as such a minute later, like its supposed to (and already does so 98% of the time)

If it means querying an entire serie to achieve desired and expected result, its not my fault or something I'm doing wrong.

I don't understand that a website has an information available, but when Emby ask for that same info it gets zilch.

The worse thing is it looks like I'll have the same issue next week comes s07e07 and then the week after with s07e08.

 

This morning, I refreshed the show both ways (search missing + replace all), no dice. Cleared FF cache, tried refresh again. No joy.

I've been  trying to properly add an episode to Emby for half a day is still not working, need i say more.

My options are either wait for something to magically fix it on its own, or copy paste the episode edit metadata.

Will likely be the later, but its worlds apart from what I signed up for.

 

 

Edited March 13, 2021 by CharleyVarrick

[CharleyVarrick 283]

A new day, a new issue

Managing in-progress show (Continuing, as Emby calls them) is a daily struggle.

One Emby power user suggested I turn off all providers in Emby and use 3rd party software to manage/grab data

Plan C is starting to make sense.

[CharleyVarrick 283]

I get its not all Emby behind those  issues, as it relies on an unreliable  provider, and with the price of meth going up, they will soon beg $ to continue their fine mission.

Notice also their airdate is 2 weeks off

[CharleyVarrick 283]

Adding a few daily shows in Emby used to worked much smoother. It used to work, period.

I'm probably not out of the woods yet, but hopefully you understand my patience running low.

Ha Ha: Hell raisin' Good Time indeed

Edited March 13, 2021 by CharleyVarrick

[CharleyVarrick 283]

5 latest show, issues with 4 out of 5.

Emby User experience = 2/10

[CharleyVarrick 283]

14 hours ago, Luke said:

In the meantime the automatic refresh option can help with this.

By offering 30/60/90 days intervals, I'm afraid it won't do much for current shows.

 

My point being:

90 days is overkill for older shows that stopped airing years ago

30 days is forever for last night's episodes.

There has to be a better way for Emby to pay more attention to current show and leave the old (established) stuff alone

 

Edited March 13, 2021 by CharleyVarrick

[ebr 16169]

4 hours ago, CharleyVarrick said:

When Emby's plan A is failing repeatedly, I wish Emby had a plan B

Hi.  Luke provided the answer to all of this before.  Once the new API is finalized, we will use that and this should work much better.  In the meantime, we have our (less than perfect) refresh routines.

[rbjtech 5284]

I've no idea how you have configured emby - but on 'Blacklist' (the only show I can relate to) - mine has the Episode name and all metadata for Ep8 just fine ?

I have TheTVDB as my top metadata provider, followed by theMovieDb, then TheOpenMovieDatabase.

I believe your issues are as I explained before - anything with 'TBA' is irrelevant to emby - it's metadata - so it's a valid record and therefore there is no requirement for it to get it again, nor is it missing.

 

 

 

[CharleyVarrick 283]

I have received actual support on the issue outside this thread, it might require a couple of days to confirm if viable or not and I will make sure to post back in either cases.

 

Any recommendation on a product that grows hair back ?

 

 

Edited March 13, 2021 by CharleyVarrick

[CharleyVarrick 283]

As suspected, we've  @GrimReaper76 found the culprit. See capture below.

Notice the actual disclaimer only mentioning longer scans (which was not even the case, btw); I've added a proper disclaimer.

Before anyone tells me "well, you asked for it", look again at actual description of the feature.

 

Next question might be "why on earth did you enable this in the first place"

1) Because its there

2)  "longer scans" was not a dealbreaker for me

3) I usually collect all episodes of a season, then binge watch months later.

This feature "help" me realize I might have missed episode #6 of 12 before its too late to do anything about it.

 

Edited March 13, 2021 by CharleyVarrick

[CharleyVarrick 283]

Huge thanks to @GrimReaper76

He just earned himself a master degree in defusing a bomb

Well done, friend.

 

To the rest, sorry if I was rough around the edge, you must have figured out it wasn't meant at you personally: I was having a miserable experience getting worse faster than I could cope with.

Edited March 13, 2021 by CharleyVarrick

[GrimReaper 4739]

1 hour ago, CharleyVarrick said:

As suspected, we've  @GrimReaper76 found the culprit. See capture below.

Notice the actual disclaimer only mentioning longer scans (which was not even the case, btw); I've added a proper disclaimer.

Before anyone tells me "well, you asked for it", look again at actual description of the feature.

 

Next question might be "why on earth did you enable this in the first place"

1) Because its there

2)  "longer scans" was not a dealbreaker for me

3) I usually collect all episodes of a season, then binge watch months later.

This feature "help" me realize I might have missed episode #6 of 12 before its too late to do anything about it.

 

It might (or might not) be related to below:

On 2/10/2021 at 10:29 PM, ebr said:

Sorry, yes, an inside "joke".  This one feature (missing/virtual episodes) complicates our system beyond what you could possibly imagine.  Its one of those situations where an "option" looks so simple but, internally, creates extreme havoc due to the complexity it introduces into almost everything.  We've been fighting with these complexities for years but this is an important - and unique to us - feature that we really don't want to remove (the missing/future episodes).  Doing so, however, would have probably saved a lot of gray hairs...

 

[rbjtech 5284]

I have that set - and have no issues ... but I can see why it would cause you issues if you are importing with no metadata.

[CharleyVarrick 283]

The only scenarios I can think of for enabling it are:

A) You want to see if you're missing an episode and significantly longer library scans don't scare you

(That's me right there)

 

B ) You're dealing with a static TV library (you have no plan to add anything to it ever again)

 

C) You enable it, do whatever you want / need, then QUICKLY disable it back

 

Edited March 13, 2021 by CharleyVarrick

[CharleyVarrick 283]

14 minutes ago, rbjtech said:

I have that set - and have no issues ... but I can see why it would cause you issues if you are importing with no metadata.

I had this re-enabled for at least a year: it  did not bite my head off the day after I enabled it. More like a very slow cancer with little side effects at first.

 

Edited March 13, 2021 by CharleyVarrick

[rbjtech 5284]

I guess a combination of my import process (which delays the import until after hours),  the 'arrs' delay if no metadata option is available is stopping the issue for me.  I have little hair anyway - so I guess I got off lightly .. 

I'm hoping the v3 API can simply add the missing data as opposed to a complete refresh, here's hoping. 

Glad you got it sorted. 

[CharleyVarrick 283]

I still had plenty of hair when I woke up this morning.

I'm glad I Rogained my sanity and spirits.

 

 

For all you guys that do actual support, keep this in your checklist (my 2 cents)

 

Edited March 13, 2021 by CharleyVarrick

[Happy2Play 9780]

My test server has that enabled and I do not have the issues you have shown.  But Upcoming comes from Emby Cache info not Browser Cache.  So you could always delete TVDB cache and refresh the Series.  But at the same time it could be the online Cached info in your are from TVDB that is your issue.  But there is nothing Emby can do about bad data on TVDB API.  The website is not the api and will never be 100% the same at the same time.

You could complain to TVDB but all they would say is update to v4 and subscribe.

Enable all providers.  Oh that doesn't matter as Upcoming only come from TVDB so hopefully there will be a fix when we loose TVDB to Subscription.

Edited March 13, 2021 by Happy2Play

[Happy2Play 9780]

Also Refreshing a Item that is Missing or Virtual requires a Library Scan.

Refreshed episode and did a library scan

 

[CharleyVarrick 283]

16 minutes ago, Happy2Play said:

My test server has that enabled and I do not have the issues you have shown.

 

I get that a lot

16 minutes ago, Happy2Play said:

The website is not the api and will never be 100% the same at the same time.

 

I truly have no clue how that can workout, in my mind they have one and only one DB.

Judging by what I see on the website, they seem to have a lot of issues keeping up with in-progress shows (look a a few captures above)

Again, you probably know a million times more than me about the way Emby interact with them.

16 minutes ago, Happy2Play said:

You could complain to TVDB but all they would say is update to v4 and subscribe.

Not happening, times 2

I will find workaround(s) until I am satisfied they have got their act together, which is far from my impression.

I am a TMDB contributors, their website makes sense to me and they have friendly support when needed. Again, its more than I can say for tvdb.

Who knows, maybe I'll be able to improve the tv side of tmdb

Edited March 13, 2021 by CharleyVarrick

[Happy2Play 9780]

1 minute ago, CharleyVarrick said:

I truly have no clue how that can workout, in my mind they have one and only one DB.

Well they push cached info so until they update their cache you do not get current information ever.  No provider is 100% live that I know of.  TMDB has a delay also.