Couple of Issues, Identification main one

[Happy2Play 9780]

39 minutes ago, jerren said:

1) In my library view i still got 2 videos next to eachother, is that intended? I did go into the metadata for the 3D version and selected the right 3D format (on other movies it did it automatically). 2) Or is it intended to be you choose the movie and then on the movie page you select which version you want to see?

You did not follow the Multi-version naming rule.  So it is expected to see two items.

Each version must begin with the folder name, followed by " - ".

If proper naming is used they would be automatically grouped.  You can manually group them or get the plugin from plugin section to group them no matter naming or location.

[Jerren 17]

You were correct! I made a dumb assumption that it would see past extra info, should know better by now.

1 thing i noticed now that they are grouped is that the 3D version is automatically placed first. I can't see anything in the guide on that topic, so is it random or can you decide that?

 

Also i just noticed i hadn't said this yet, but thank you all for your patience and help with this so far!

[Luke 42077]

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1 thing i noticed now that they are grouped is that the 3D version is automatically placed first. I can't see anything in the guide on that topic, so is it random or can you decide that?

The general answer is that it is based on what is the most efficient version that can be streamed based on all possible criteria that would affect that. To provide a more specific example we'd have to go over a scenario in detail. Thanks.

[Jerren 17]

Hmm well looking at the files, the 3D file is 27GB & the standard version is 2.9GB, not really sure what info you would need for this. Tell me what you need and i'll supply it.

I assumed (i know i know, i should really stop doing that ^^ ) that whatever is set as standard get's picked by Emby. In this case especially 3D isn't something you can watch on every device so it doesn't really make sense to be the primary choice. But i'll wait and see what you need before i start guessing and assuming.

[Luke 42077]

On 1/27/2021 at 7:23 PM, jerren said:

Hmm well looking at the files, the 3D file is 27GB & the standard version is 2.9GB, not really sure what info you would need for this. Tell me what you need and i'll supply it.

I assumed (i know i know, i should really stop doing that ^^ ) that whatever is set as standard get's picked by Emby. In this case especially 3D isn't something you can watch on every device so it doesn't really make sense to be the primary choice. But i'll wait and see what you need before i start guessing and assuming.

A discussion of specific examples in detail along with the information requested here:

Thanks.

[Jerren 17]

Hmm i don't see how a log would be helpful here but i included it and a screenshot. So pretty much it chooses the 3D file over the standard file, i tested with a few other movies first to see if this was a recurring thing and it was. I tried choosing standard once to see if it remembered the last setting you choose but that's not the case.

 

 

embyserver-63747561600.txt embyserver.txt

[Luke 42077]

On 1/30/2021 at 7:51 AM, jerren said:

Hmm i don't see how a log would be helpful here but i included it and a screenshot. So pretty much it chooses the 3D file over the standard file, i tested with a few other movies first to see if this was a recurring thing and it was. I tried choosing standard once to see if it remembered the last setting you choose but that's not the case.

 

 

embyserver-63747561600.txt 22.32 MB · 1 download embyserver.txt 1.95 MB · 1 download

Can you show a screenshot of the media info for both files from the bottom of the web app detail screen? Thanks.

[Jerren 17]

Sure thing.

[Luke 42077]

On 2/9/2021 at 12:33 PM, jerren said:

Sure thing.

Ok so essentially neither file can direct play, so it prefers h264 over hevc because it will most likely be more efficient to play due to the possibility of using the original source video. It could probably be adjusted though to not prefer it for 3d.

[Jerren 17]

Hmm I know i'm not known in these matters but what about this movie then where both are 1080p H264 codec? It will always chose the 3D version.

 

[Luke 42077]

It doesn't doesn't consider 3D at all when picking a version.

[Jerren 17]

Do you mean Emby doesn't look at what each version is before it starts playing or something else? Not sure i understand your reply there.

Either way the question stands, is there a way to let it always choose the "standard" version? For my case personally i know me and my brother usually watch on webclients or sometimes through chromecast. It's very rare we actually watch the 3D version of a movie.

[Luke 42077]

Yes it does of course, it just currently does not take 3d into consideration as part of that.

[Jerren 17]

Hmm i'm not sure if it's because English isn't my first language but i'm not sure what i can do to allow standard versions to be automatically picked to play then.

[Baenwort 118]

I think what Luke is saying is that right now Emby doesn't treat 3D versions differently but starts the selection alphabetically and the number 3 in the version name means 3D leads the list.

I would agree with Jerren that 3D viewing is getting so hard now a days, unless specifically using VR glasses, that it would be a good idea to force 3D versions to the bottom of the version list sort so that Emby defaults to showing any other version first.

[Luke 42077]

There is nothing alphabetical about it. It is based on which version is most efficient to stream to the app/device you're using based on all possible settings and conditions that might affect that.

[MRobi 161]

I think in that above example though, the standard version would be slightly easier to stream. It's got a slightly lower bitrate in both video and audio. Plus the audio stream is 2ch which should make it most compatible.

But as @Baenwort mentioned, 3D viewing is getting hard now a days. It was a technology that was really only out for a period of a few years and has been mostly abandoned by most major tv manufacturers. I wouldn't see much purpose in spending development time to try to tell that the video is in 3D and forcing it to the bottom of the version list. It would be like trying to go to market with a new design on a bluray/vhs player!

In my personal opinion, having the 3D files mixed in with the normal files isn't the best approach anyways. I would personally create a separate 3D library. If I want to sit down with the family and watch a 3D movie on the 1 3D capable tv I have left, I don't want to flip through the thousands of movies in my library trying to remember which ones are in 3D and which ones aren't. Or worse, sit down in front of my non-3D tv's and having a 3D movie start. I'd much rather pull up the library with only 3D movies and be able to quickly see what's there.

[Jerren 17]

Yeah as i was reading what Baenwort typed i was beginning to think maybe i should just put those few movies in a 3D library for exactly the reasons you mentioned MRobi.

 

On the subject of 3D movies though, the only one that did it justice for me was the Avatar movie. All the others had nice effects but none felt like Avatar did, i just tried them out once and haven't recommended anyone to try those out, i always refer to Avatar if they want a good example of it. But like MRobi said, it's passed by as a fashion trend and unless avatar 2 & 3 whenever those come out give a good 3D viewing experience i don't expect them to come back sadly.

 

Thanks for helping & explaining things everyone!