Continue Watching item is a yet to air Live TV Show (Movie)

[jordy 284]

Hi,

Not sure where this came from, but Emby is showing a yet to air Movie from a TV channel and I can't get rid of it...

How can a Live TV program be included in Continue Watching in the fist place, never mind that it hasn't actually aired yet?

I have no scheduled recordings set and no recorded shows in my library.

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[PenkethBoy 2068]

you partially watched it in the past and emby has remembered that you did

[jordy 284]

1 hour ago, PenkethBoy said:

you partially watched it in the past and emby has remembered that you did

You would think so, yeah. I did have a quick look at it after it appeared and before I saw it was a Live TV program. But AFAIK, I never initiated Live TV for any program on the day it appeared. Its been there for 3 or 4 days now and as it hadn't gone away, I thought I'd report it.

[PenkethBoy 2068]

more likely was a while ago or you had the movie and removed it

[jordy 284]

1 minute ago, PenkethBoy said:

more likely was a while ago or you had the movie and removed it

Yeah, I did have the movie a couple of months ago. I watched about half of it, decided I didn't like it and deleted the movie file. It was not recorded from LiveTV, so I don't know how it could have been designated as such.

It was certainly a long time before it appeared on the Home Page

[PenkethBoy 2068]

its been that way for a long time - watched status is recorded by metadata provider id - i.e. tmdb id

[ebr 16184]

What server version?

[jordy 284]

36 minutes ago, ebr said:

What server version?

beta 4.6.0.6

[jordy 284]

2 hours ago, PenkethBoy said:

its been that way for a long time - watched status is recorded by metadata provider id - i.e. tmdb id

Ok, so from that I surmise that Emby has retained a record of the unfinished viewing of the movie in it's database and has somehow connected that record with the same movie being present in the TV Guide for next Sunday.

That kind of makes sense - in a strange way. But it shouldn't happen - because of the two different sources...

EDIT: LiveTV programs or Guide sourced programs should never be considered for inclusion in "Continue Watching" - obviously due to their "Live" nature

@ebr & @Luke: Perhaps the DB Cleaning process for Deleted Items needs to include items from the Continue Watching records?

Edited December 2, 2020 by jordy

[Luke 42078]

Yes we probably shouldn't show it for things that aren't playable yet.

[jordy 284]

6 hours ago, Luke said:

Yes we probably shouldn't show it for things that aren't playable yet.

Also, you really shouldn't show it for items that have been deleted either.

[Happy2Play 9780]

7 minutes ago, jordy said:

Also, you really shouldn't show it for items that have been deleted either.

But your userdata is never deleted.  So all resume points are maintained forever for that specific providerid item whether it still exists or not.

[jordy 284]

4 hours ago, Happy2Play said:

But your userdata is never deleted.  So all resume points are maintained forever for that specific providerid item whether it still exists or not.

OK. BUT WHY?

If it has been deleted by the Admin, why keep the data? I could understand keeping it for a few days or even a month to allow for changes of mind etc, but FOREVER - that's an awful long time and clearly leads to issues like this - not very good in my book!

Edited December 3, 2020 by jordy

[Carlo 4561]

17 hours ago, jordy said:

OK. BUT WHY?

If it has been deleted by the Admin, why keep the data? I could understand keeping it for a few days or even a month to allow for changes of mind etc, but FOREVER - that's an awful long time and clearly leads to issues like this - not very good in my book!

Why because it's a setting with 3 possible outcomes.  You have either watched it, partially watched it or haven't watched it.  It doesn't matter where or when.

If someone asked if you ever saw Jaws you wouldn't say no if you saw it on TV and not in the Theaters.  It doesn't matter where or when you saw it but once you've seen the movies, you've seen it for the rest of your life.  In real-life you can't "un-see" the movie but at least Emby does allow you to flip the watched flag.

[jordy 284]

2 hours ago, cayars said:

Why because it's a setting with 3 possible outcomes.  You have either watched it, partially watched it or haven't watched it.  It doesn't matter where or when.

If someone asked if you ever saw Jaws you wouldn't say no if you saw it on TV and not in the Theaters.  It doesn't matter where or when you saw it but once you've seen the movies, you've seen it for the rest of your life.  In real-life you can't "un-see" the movie but at least Emby does allow you to flip the watched flag.

You're missing the point(s) here.

1. If I choose do DELETE a Library item, it because I don't want to see it again; either I don't like it or I need the space and emby should respect my decision and remove that item from it's db entirely. It can always be quickly replaced should I change my mind.
2. Emby will NOT allow me to "flip the watched flag" for this LiveTV item. If it did, we wouldn't be having this conversation...
3. Library items and LiveTV items are two entirely different beasts and as such should never be combined in this scenario. LiveTV - is a One Time Thing (Repeats excluded) and should not be linked (by any means) to any Library Item whether unwatched or wholly/partly watched. It just doesn't make sense and leads to issues like this.

cheers

 

[Carlo 4561]

Watched status works the same in Emby and other media servers, trakt or other places.  It's not a matter of media being added or removed or the library it came from or from Live TV.  It tracks if you've seen the episode/movie.

It's if you EVER watched ANY version of it.  It's DESIGNED to be a HISTORICAL representation of your viewing life not tied to the life of the media or the medium in which you saw it, just as in real life. There are even plugins for Emby to import/export this to other tracking services that people use.

So again Watched status is NOT designed to be tied to the existence of the media. As stated before if you've ever seen Jaws, Star Wars or Die Hard you can never un-see it in real life short of getting amnesia.  That is the purpose of the watched status with minor changes for the digital arena.

Emby does #1 for the media but not for watched status for obvious reasons as it's historical and you can't change history.

Emby does #2 as you actually watch it in Live TV but you can't change a flag in the guide, nor should you be able to.  It happens automatically as you actually watch it. If however you ever have the movie or episode in your libraries then you would be able flip it's status at that point as there is now a reason to do so.

Emby will allow you to do things like "unwatch" a series or season which is helpful if you want to re-watch it again and be able to track where you are. If for example I were going to rewatch Game of Thrones or The West Wing I will reset the watch status.

#3 doesn't make sense.  It doesn't matter if you watched Jaws from a library or from a TV channel.  It's the fact you watched it that matters.  Watched status isn't tied to the media and you could get things flagged watched as soon as you add it to your system.  For example if you were to go watch the new Top Gun release in 2021 in Imax at the Theaters, then marked it watched at Trakt and have Emby setup to import/export to it then as soon as you add this movie to your Emby system it will already show up as watched (IT SHOULD).

If you have The Terminator in 720, 1080 and 4K on your system and watch any of them for the first time they are ALL WATCHED.  It's not the media itself that matter to watched but the fact any version, anywhere that you track status of that matters.

What your first post shows is a glitch that CAN BE FIXED and Luke already commented on that.  But we don't need to change the way watched status works, just need to fix that glitch in display.

[jordy 284]

Well, it seems that we'll have to agree to disagree.

I 100% disagree that Emby should ever mark a newly added library item as Watched, just because I watched it years ago and trakt recorded that event. What I watched years ago has no bearing on the fact that I want to watch it now, hence me adding it to Emby. However, if I don't watch it straight away and Emby marks it as watched, it will not appear on my home page - because when Emby marks an item as Watched  - GUESS WHAT - it disappears from the home page thus taking it away from my attention as a reminder to watch/re-watch it.. How is that sensible?

When I add new items, I tend to add them in blocks of 5 or 6 at a time, it's not a spur of the moment thing and I rarely watch them on the day I add them. Sometimes it's days if not weeks afterwards. In a busy life there is definitely opportunity to forget the things you did a couple of days or weeks ago. Therefore it should be an obvious thing to keep newly added Movies or TV shows front of mind, regardless of whether they have been watched before.

 

[GrimReaper 4740]

1 hour ago, jordy said:

However, if I don't watch it straight away and Emby marks it as watched, it will not appear on my home page - because when Emby marks an item as Watched  - GUESS WHAT - it disappears from the home page thus taking it away from my attention as a reminder to watch/re-watch it.. How is that sensible?

Well, it actually doesn't, unless you have "Hide watched content from latest media" enabled, which is disabled by default, iirc? 

Edited December 4, 2020 by GrimReaper76

[jordy 284]

7 minutes ago, GrimReaper76 said:

Well, it actually doesn't, unless you have "Hide watched content from latest media" enabled, which is disabled by default, iirc? 

Yes, you are correct. But that is my choice, because why do I need it to be there - taking up unnecessary screen space if I have just watched it?

This has nothing to do with previous "watch" history. It's about here and now!

[GrimReaper 4740]

I guess it all comes down to personal preference. I, for one, do prefer that the playstate is preserved for removed and re-added items, it's just a matter of unticking Watched for those rare instances that occur, for items whose state I want changed. Then again, I do add limited number of items, and out of those, even smaller number of already watched, hence have no issue with it. 

However, I do concur that yet to be aired LiveTV items should not come up in Continue Watching - until (and if) they were recorded, after which I reckon they belong there with last "known" state server-wise. 

Edited December 4, 2020 by GrimReaper76

[pwhodges 2012]

8 hours ago, cayars said:

If you have The Terminator in 720, 1080 and 4K on your system and watch any of them for the first time they are ALL WATCHED. 

As I remarked just now in another thread, this is appropriate for multiversions of differing qualities only.  For people who have used multiversions for alternate cuts, having a separate watched flag would seem useful.

Paul

[GrimReaper 4740]

1 hour ago, pwhodges said:

As I remarked just now in another thread, this is appropriate for multiversions of differing qualities only.  For people who have used multiversions for alternate cuts, having a separate watched flag would seem useful.

Paul

Yeah, but I don't think alternate editions should be mixed with video-versions, some more granularity would be welcomed there, maybe something like another dropdown menu:

VIDEO-AUDIO-SUBS-VERSION(EDITION?CUT?)? 

Edited December 4, 2020 by GrimReaper76
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[pwhodges 2012]

Sure, though that'll take some redesign, I think (which I'd like to happen).

Paul

[Carlo 4561]

7 hours ago, jordy said:

Yes, you are correct. But that is my choice, because why do I need it to be there - taking up unnecessary screen space if I have just watched it?

This has nothing to do with previous "watch" history. It's about here and now!

Well it presently is about watch history thus not working for you.  You kind of use Emby a bit different than most and want it more like "media history" so it's specific to that media.

If there was a script or plugin that could remove watch history on your system for any media not present (as library items) would that help you?
Would you want it to work for all users on your system or just your user account?

I ask because it's possible this could be done during nightly process (well anytime you want to schedule a job).  It's possible a plugin could also look for the remove media event and remove watched status possibly as well.  This might be possible at present with the scripterX plugin.

PS I typically run a slimmed down home page in my Emby apps so it's loads faster. What I do is once or twice a week look at my movies folder with the sort of most recent shown first.  I then FAVORITE anything I think I'll want to watch.  I can then use the favorites tabs or filter at any time to find my preselected choice media to watch.

[ebr 16184]

On 12/2/2020 at 11:47 PM, jordy said:

OK. BUT WHY?

Because you may have an item, watch it, delete it, forget about it, re-add it...

Also, simply moving an item from one location to another or upgrading the quality of it is, systemically, a delete of one item and an add of another because the computer cannot know they are the "same" item until after it is re-identified.