Dolby Vision Support? When? Nvidia Shield

[Gilgamesh_48 1240]

3 minutes ago, cayars said:

So TV use is NOT declining but shifting and Emby has these covered regardless if it's Cable TV, IPTV or OTA broadcast (free), but is getting a big improvement soon that will leave other solutions in the dust.

What, exactly, is that map supposed to show?

[bakes82 167]

@cayars OTA in the USA is only for PUBLIC CHANNELS.  Yes ABC, Fox, CBS, NBC are all PUBLIC.  CNN, FoxNews, all the other stuff that people mainly watch on TV are not public and will not.  Where I live yes I can pick up OTA stuff, but why would I?  I can stream them for free online also on any one of the sites.  Saying 90% of the people can get it are two different things though, its just like cell service, saying you should have access and actually having it are.  Depending on signal strength, buildings, your antenna you might get nothings.

[bakes82 167]

Just now, Gilgamesh_48 said:

What, exactly, is that map supposed to show?

Areas where you should get OTA channels from a Tower.

[Gilgamesh_48 1240]

Just now, bakes82 said:

Areas where you should get OTA channels from a Tower.

Then the map is a lie. I live in a spot that appears to be covered by multiple blue circles and I get zero OTA signal. Map like that that do not take topology into account and give a very false impression of coverage. The fact is that there are many many areas that "should" get signal but do not.

[bakes82 167]

Just now, Gilgamesh_48 said:

Then the map is a lie. I live in a spot that appears to be covered by multiple blue circles and I get zero OTA signal. Map like that that do not take topology into account and give a very false impression of coverage. The fact is that there are many many areas that "should" get signal but do not.

Just like cell coverage right   little map says I should get full bars, oh right you mean if Im outside, on a clear day, on top of the hill with my cell phone above my head like in horror movies, I might get 1.

[bakes82 167]

https://www.antennaweb.org/

That seems to be pretty accurate.

[Carlo 4561]

1 minute ago, Gilgamesh_48 said:

What, exactly, is that map supposed to show?

As bakes82 said these are OTA broadcast markets. They cover 90% of the US population (not area).

1 minute ago, bakes82 said:

@cayars OTA in the USA is only for PUBLIC CHANNELS.  Yes ABC, Fox, CBS, NBC are all PUBLIC.  CNN, FoxNews, all the other stuff that people mainly watch on TV are not public and will not.  Where I live yes I can pick up OTA stuff, but why would I?  I can stream them for free online also on any one of the sites.  Saying 90% of the people can get it are two different things though, its just like cell service, saying you should have access and actually having it are.  Depending on signal strength, buildings, your antenna you might get nothings.

I wouldn't call them "public" channels but OTA or local channels. "Public" has a specific meaning at least in the US.

CNN, Fox News, ESPN, Hallmark, etc are considered network or cable channels. At least for now.  In the future some of these will likely go OTA using ATSC 3.0

[vdatanet 1617]

3 minutes ago, cayars said:

"Public" has a specific meaning at least in the US

Yes, public is not the same as free. In Spain, public means paid among all citizens using the state's public budget.

[Carlo 4561]

4 minutes ago, Gilgamesh_48 said:

Then the map is a lie. I live in a spot that appears to be covered by multiple blue circles and I get zero OTA signal. Map like that that do not take topology into account and give a very false impression of coverage. The fact is that there are many many areas that "should" get signal but do not.

Of there can be local obstructions that can cause issues or people using indoor antennas or not well designed antennas or antennas mounted outside at the wrong height or aimed wrong.

Not everyone in markets covered will be able to get OTA which in part is why Cable TV will never die out.

Doesn't matter to Emby however how you get your TV Channels as they can come from OTA, Cable, IPTV fed from a Sat box, etc..

[bakes82 167]

2 minutes ago, cayars said:

Of there can be local obstructions that can cause issues or people using indoor antennas or not well designed antennas or antennas mounted outside at the wrong height or aimed wrong.

Not everyone in markets covered will be able to get OTA which in part is why Cable TV will never die out.

Doesn't matter to Emby however how you get your TV Channels as they can come from OTA, Cable, IPTV fed from a Sat box, etc..

Well when my only option is the SpectrumTV app now what?  You support YouTubeTV?  Tmobiles new TV offering?   All the things you want to support are dieing out.

Edited November 18, 2020 by bakes82

[Carlo 4561]

8 minutes ago, bakes82 said:

Well when my only option is the SpectrumTV app now what?  You support YouTubeTV?  Tmobiles new TV offering?   All the things you want to support are dieing out.

Why app? Why not through your Spectrum Cable?

EDIT: you're throwing out streaming TV services.  Emby creates a streaming service for you when used with local hardware tuners.  This allows you to distribute it to friends and family however you see fit.  It also allows you to record shows, movies, events locally and keep these videos forever unlike the online services that are cloud based and require constant streaming whenever you watch something.  You also can't switch from Youtube to another cloud based TV service without loosing all your existing recordings.

With Emby and it's local recording you can switch you cable provider or service type and never give up your recordings.

Edited November 18, 2020 by cayars

[bakes82 167]

1 minute ago, cayars said:

Why app? Why not through your Spectrum Cable?

Because maybe where I live they dont offer cable only internet?  Maybe we only have fiber not coax and the house doesnt have coax, only ethernet.  CableTV is moving away from cable/set top boxes lol.  If they can offer it over internet its win win for them.  You guys are focused on ancient standards that the world is moving away from.

https://www.spectrum.com/cable-tv/spectrum-tv-app

[Carlo 4561]

Possible of course but I doubt you can get Internet from them and not cable service.  Usually the other way around as cable is the cash cow.  All you need is one outlet for coax which can be right where it enters the premises as you can put a network tuner right there then connect it to Ethernet.

No  idea where you get your information from but it is NOT moving away from STB.  They try and make it hard to not get the STB as they "rent" these to you for $ extra each month. Much of the profit they make each month is on equipment rental fees.

It is NOT win/win for them to deliver your TV over Internet but they do it to compete and to have it as an offering. Many other cable providers do the same as well.

I have an account on Spectrum that I use, so I know it pretty well. Same with Verizon and Comcast/Xfinity.

[awdspyder 11]

I'm totally onboard with the initial premise of this thread - i.e. DV via Emby on the Shield. I have an LG OLED and a TCL 6-series and I'm looking forward to this feature. However, since we've gone off the rails a bit, I'd like to note that the OP seems to have missed one important fact when poo-pooing the live TV feature of Emby.  

In many locales in the U.S., where cable Internet is either a) the fastest option, or b) the only option, purchasing streaming services in lieu of cable TV, but maintaining cable Internet is actually more expensive than simply having cable TV/Internet.  I've done the math many times. I've also, simply out of spite, cancelled my Comcast TV and tried all the streaming services with OTA for sports (I'm in an average OTA area).  In the end, though I didn't like to admit it, I faced a couple of harsh realities:

1. For all of the "future" talk these streaming services like to throw around, not one of them can offer all of the channels Comcast did in one of their mid-tier packages at a reasonable price.  Nor do they really offer any thing remotely close to true al la carte.  It's the same crap sandwich with a new spin on it.  I tried, Sling, Vue, Hulu, and YouTube at various times.  I had ridiculous spreadsheets, with complete channel lineups, so I could realistically compare options.  Now, if I wanted to shell out some real stupid money, I could have purchased multiple streaming services and, with lots of redundancy, equaled Comcast's lineup.
    
2. I wasn't in love with streaming quality.  Compression artifacts and banding were prevalent.  Now, this will improve over time but quite simply OTA, in many cases, provides the best quality "TV" experience.
    
3. The DVR options were meh, at best.  Maybe they've gotten better in the last year, but they don't touch Emby.  With Emby, I have a 3-tuner HD Homerun Prime, plus a 2-tuner HD Homerun Connect.  I can watch one network station and record 4.  I can buy another HD Homerun and record even more if the disk subsystem can handle it (and mine can =o)  Oh, and the DVR'd shows are in my library.  And they stay there forever if want.  And I can cut the commercials out if I want.  And I can add as much storage as I want.  And they're unencrypted. I can go on.
    
4. For the talk about STBs and Cable, guess who doesn't pay for a cable box from Comcast at all.  That's right, this guy.  The HD Homeruns replace all of that nonsense, and are remotely installed in an equipment rack, completely out of sight.  I pay less than $3/month for a cable card.  That's it.
    
5. Don't even talk about, "well, I can stream sports to my 5" screen, or my tablet, or my Roku."  Yup, so can I, all from a single, well-designed interface, where I can also get my local media.

In my case, the facts are as follows: 

It's $95/month for reasonably fast Internet from Comcast.  It's $119.65/moth for the same Internet plus hundreds of channels (that's a non-introductory rate, it was ~$99/mo during the first year).  I'm paying the $95/month regardless.  Now, show me a streaming service that offers the same channel lineup for $25, with unlimited DVR, including ALL of my locals, and I'll bow down and acknowledge the wisdom of streaming.  Until then, and as much as I hate Comcast, the math simply does not lie. I'm not an Emby fan-boy either, though I am a convert from Plex.  Quite simply, I've tried them all, and then determined what offered the greatest functionality at the most reasonable price.

Edited November 22, 2020 by awdspyder