Why don't missing episodes display for 1 show?

[MBSki 1114]

I can't figure out why this particular show, "Abbott & Costello: animated series" doesn't show any missing episodes. TheTVDB has all the shows listed, but they don't appear in Emby. Other shows in the same library have the missing episodes, just not this one. I've refreshed metadata, pulled the files out of the directory put them back and rescanned, used Identify to make sure it was using the correct show, and checked all the providers, but still can't figure it out. Any ideas?

 

 

TheTVDB episode list

[Luke 42078]

If you have any one single episode that is missing a season or episode number, then it is skipped for that show. Also in the beta server now, it is skipped if you've configured the series for absolute ordering or dvd ordering.

[Happy2Play 9780]

Testing this series now, but there are currently no absolute or dvd order on TVDB (all 75 episodes are currently unassigned)

[MBSki 1114]

@Luke I've set season and episode number in the filename and I'm not on the beta server. I'm pretty sure I'm ordering by aired date anyways, although i can't seem to find that setting at the moment.

@Happy2Play So shouldn't it show if I'm sorting by aired date? Or do they simply not show because they're unassigned?

[Happy2Play 9780]

8 minutes ago, mbarylski said:

@Luke I've set season and episode number in the filename and I'm not on the beta server. I'm pretty sure I'm ordering by aired date anyways, although i can't seem to find that setting at the moment.

@Happy2Play So shouldn't it show if I'm sorting by aired date? Or do they simply not show because they're unassigned?

By default it will be by episode number, unless changed via edit metadata on the series Display Order is set to Aired.

But I am guessing the issues may have to do with only the last episode (158) having a air date on TVDB.

 

@Luke I just confirmed if no Air date exists they will not display as Missing.

I added S01E01 for Series above and S01E158 appeared as Missing.

Edited July 26, 2020 by Happy2Play
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[MBSki 1114]

@Happy2Play Got it, thanks. Shouldn't it display missing regardless of whether or not it has an air date?

Btw, my display order is set to Aired, but I don't remember setting each individual show to Aired order and there is no way to set it back to default that i can see. is there a trick to setting it back to the default "episode number" order? Maybe it'll show the missing episode if it uses the default order.

[Luke 42078]

Ok without that information we can't tell the different between past/missing and future/unaired, so I think in this situation we just shouldn't import that one at all.

[MBSki 1114]

1 minute ago, Luke said:

Ok without that information we can't tell the different between past/missing and future/unaired, so I think in this situation we just shouldn't import that one at all.

@Luke Why not just do it by episode order?

[Luke 42078]

We don't really keep a missing/unaired flag, it's just determined on the fly based on air date, whether it's in the past or not. Using episode order is theoretically possible, but it's more complicated because you can't make the decision using only the information of that one single episode.

[MBSki 1114]

@Luke I'm not following. if there's no air date for "most" episodes just set it to order by episode number instead. ALL the episodes have numbers so you aren't making the decision based on the single episode, you're making the decision based on all the episodes. Here's part of the list. Only the last has an air date, but all of them have an episode number. Shouldn't be hard to grab the episode number for all the episodes and sort by the episode number. Of course I could be missing something, but it seems relatively straight forward. 

 

[Carlo 4561]

Luke, would it be possible to use the air date if populated and treat it like 1/1/90 if not populated?

This way missing files are always shown but for shows without an airdate you would have all future episodes shown as missing (they are).  That might not be too bad.

Carlo

[Luke 42078]

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ALL the episodes have numbers so you aren't making the decision based on the single episode, you're making the decision based on all the episodes.

Exactly but that's not the way we do things right now. We try to keep each episode as it's own independent record. You're asking for some special sauce to make up for missing data from the metadata provider, which is reasonable, but it's not an easy throw in based on how the system works.

[MBSki 1114]

1 minute ago, cayars said:

Luke, would it be possible to use the air date if populated and treat it like 1/1/90 if not populated?

This way missing files are always shown but for shows without an airdate you would have all future episodes shown as missing (they are).  That might not be too bad.

Carlo

Ok @Luke how about this approach?

[Luke 42078]

Well then we have to deal with complaints of an erroneous air date showing up, as well as things like sorting by air date not working as expected.

[Carlo 4561]

It's a trade off.  The "argument" I'd make is that if the metadata has the air date there won't be a problem.  If there isn't an air date the user can request the provider to fill in said date or could do this on their own system if it really bothered them.  Of course if they are future episode they actually are missing technically.

On the other hand the person trying to find missing episodes has no choice in the matter and can't easily find missing episodes so will never "trust" Emby to have the correct information concerning this.

I'd rather have it consistent in that files missing are always shown.

 

[Happy2Play 9780]

Or one could login to TVDB and supply the air dates as it looks like 4 episodes per air date.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Abbott_and_Costello_Cartoon_Show

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059962/episodes?season=1

[MBSki 1114]

1 minute ago, Happy2Play said:

Or one could login to TVDB and supply the air dates as it looks like 4 episodes per air date.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Abbott_and_Costello_Cartoon_Show

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059962/episodes?season=1

Yea, I'm about to do this.  It won't cover the ones I don't know about though so I'd rather it just show all missing like @cayars suggested. I don't really care how it's done, but at least show them.

[Happy2Play 9780]

Just remember it takes at least 24 hours for anything that is updated on TVDB to propagate as all users will still be getting cached information.