Metadata Manager identify double music albums like single disc

[Fernando 6]

Hi,

 

I've got my music collections organized in a folder structure like this:

 

For single albums:

 

F:\_Multimedia\Music\Artist\(Year) Album Name (For example: F:\_Multimedia\Music\Impellitteri\(1997) Eye Of The Hurricane\01 - Eye Of The Hurricane_Eye Of The Hurricane_Impellitteri.mp3)

 

For albums with more than one disc:

 

 F:\_Multimedia\Music\Artist\(Year) Album Name (For example: F:\_Multimedia\Music\Impellitteri\(2019) Osaka 2019\Disc 1\01 - Intro._Osaka 2019 (Disc 1)_Impellitteri.flac

 

And

 

 F:\_Multimedia\Music\Artist\(Year) Album Name (Example: F:\_Multimedia\Music\Impellitteri\(2019) Osaka 2019\Disc 2\01 - Stand In Line_Osaka 2019 (Disc 2)_Impellitteri.flac

 

But Metadata Manager shows both folder into one called Disc 1 and show all the tracks from both folder under this level.

 

All the metadata are correctly defined in every file, including de Disc # , so what could be the problem?

 

I'm on Windows 10 running Emby server V4.4.2.0

 

Thanks in advance.

 

 

[pwhodges 2012]

You highlight the disk number as part of the album name, but Emby is using the separate "discnumber" field, which the details tab in the Windows file properties does not expose.  Any tag editor will enable you to put the correct values in there (I use MP3Tag).

 

Note how in this image from my library the tracks are grouped according to the disc number (also not shown here by Emby!):

 

 

Paul

Edited May 14, 2020 by pwhodges

[Fernando 6]

Thanks.

 

I have it filled, but it doesn't resolve the issue. Even more, if the album name are different because one is called XXX (Disc 1) and the other XXX (Disc 2) at least they should be treated like different albums, so what info reads Emby to group tracks into the same album? the file location ?

 

 

Edited May 14, 2020 by Fernando

[pwhodges 2012]

If you have two discs, they will only been seen as going together if the Album Name is the same (i.e. without adding "(Disc #)" to it in the metadata).  Emby combines them according to that name, not according to the folder structure (unless you are choosing to display by folder, and even then subfolders still get combined or split by album name).  Frankly, I just had to work this out for myself by a little experimentation!

 

Paul

Edited May 14, 2020 by pwhodges

[Fernando 6]

Well, it doesn't seem to be right. I actually can do it work fine, I'm create another album folder and one name it XXX (Disc 1) and the other XXX (Disc 2) and put files directly into these without any extra folder and now Emby metadata recognize them like two differents albums so yes, Emby seems to look to the folder name to determinate metadata info. It doesn't a suitable solution to apply in my entire collection with more than 400 Gb  of music ! 

 

[dansblackcat 37]

I've had much more success by just putting all the songs into the one (album) folder.  Just Artist folder/ Album folder.

There's no need to have two folders (disc 1 disc 2 etc).

Edited May 15, 2020 by dansblackcat

[Fernando 6]

And how Emby shows you these files into Metadada Manager? Are these showed correctly like Disc 1 and Disc 2 ?

 

I don´t know when, but something was changed into Emby becasue it started to happened recently.I used it since Metabrowser days and this is a relative recently issue. 

Edited May 15, 2020 by Fernando

[PenkethBoy 2068]

I dont use disc1 or disc 2 either - and in metadata manager and the album page they show in the correct order

 

i have all tracks in the same album folder

 

things to check is that your metadata tags have "discnumber" and "track" number values

 

e.g. discnumber 1/2 or 2/3 etc - depending on the number of discs

and track 1/18 or 5/18 etc - depending on the number of tracks per disc

 

i also genrally have the disc number first then the track number in the track name - but thats just so they show in order on the file system

[Fernando 6]

I dont use disc1 or disc 2 either - and in metadata manager and the album page they show in the correct order

 

i have all tracks in the same album folder

 

things to check is that your metadata tags have "discnumber" and "track" number values

 

e.g. discnumber 1/2 or 2/3 etc - depending on the number of discs

and track 1/18 or 5/18 etc - depending on the number of tracks per disc

 

i also genrally have the disc number first then the track number in the track name - but thats just so they show in order on the file system

 

But, how do you play all the tracks of the disc #2 from an album? I can´t do this from Kodi (I´m using Emby for Kodi) ´cause Kodi only shows one disc!

[pwhodges 2012]

I've no idea about Kodi, but Emby itself simply lists the discs in order when the metadata is correct - like this:

 

 

That's plain enough for me.

 

Paul

[Fernando 6]

And, again, Emby Metadata manager is mixing music files that are correctly tagged how from a different album. Ones are called and tagged ("Album Name Disc 1" and the other ones "Album Name Disc 2") and located in different folders in file system but Emby seems to stop reading tags just from there and assume tath all files belongs to the same album located at the first folder called Disc 1 in my case. 

 

Even more, I moved anothert Artist and albums "Hot Leg\(2009) Red Light Fever" perfectly tagged into other artist album folder in file system "\Music\Halford\(2007) Metal God Essentials Vol 1\" and Emby Metadamanager ignore tagged information and just take these new ones like part of the artist where files are located into file system.

 

[Fernando 6]

I've no idea about Kodi, but Emby itself simply lists the discs in order when the metadata is correct - like this:

 

 

That's plain enough for me.

 

Paul

Please, search and locate the same Artist/Album showed into your Emby Metadata Manager and post a pic.

[Fernando 6]

Please, search and locate the same Artist/Album showed into your Emby Metadata Manager and post a pic.

There is no necessary, you did it before... and I´m right, Metadata manager is mixing all the files and showed like the same album even if thet belongs and are right tagged like Disc 1, Disc 2 and so on:

 

 

 

Embly player seems to "read" the tagged information and show it correctly but not players that take the info directly from Metadata manager like Emby for Kodi.

[Fernando 6]

@Luke  Please, could you clarify about this issue?

[pwhodges 2012]

Well, I'll show you anyway.  The files are like this in Windows:

 

I.e., in one directory.  The numbers on the file names are contrived to make them appear in order there.  Metadata manager shows what you'd expect:

 

 

I make liberal use of MP3Tag when organising things (I turn off all Internet metadata sources, because for my music they fail to recognise 3/4 of it and get most of the rest wrong!).  MP3tag can rename files conveniently, or I use Bulk Rename Utility.

 

Paul

[Fernando 6]

I've no idea about Kodi, but Emby itself simply lists the discs in order when the metadata is correct - like this:

 

 

That's plain enough for me.

 

Paul

OK, so you can browse to the artist and show the two discs that are part of this album but you can't select and reproduce the full disc number 2, can you? I mean, you could select the first track of the Disc 2 and leave the rest of tracks to play automatically, but you can't play the entire Disc 2 like with the Disc 1. That is an issue when you have double discs albums, for example studio recordings in Disc 1 & live sessions into disc 2 and you want to listen just one of the discs ... 

Edited May 15, 2020 by Fernando

[Fernando 6]

Well, I'll show you anyway.  The files are like this in Windows:

 

 

I.e., in one directory.  The numbers on the file names are contrived to make them appear in order there.  Metadata manager shows what you'd expect:

 

 

I make liberal use of MP3Tag when organising things (I turn off all Internet metadata sources, because for my music they fail to recognise 3/4 of it and get most of the rest wrong!).  MP3tag can rename files conveniently, or I use Bulk Rename Utility.

 

Paul

 

There is no problem with the way that I tag my files. Emby Metadata Manager assume that files located into an artist\album folder belong to this Artist and Album no matter like the files were tagged rightly.

 

 

You could try it, move files from a different artist into the folder that you posted to show me and whatever these moved file had tagged, will be part of the artist and album of destination file structure. You could verify that into Emby Metadata Manager after rescan music library.

[pwhodges 2012]

If the discs are separate entities, then I name them differently and Emby treats them so; but most of my multiple disk sets are only that way because of size limitations. 

 

Mind you, I do have folder view as my default for music, which then allows me to impose a folder layout which is respected, but can be overridden at the bottom level* by the metadata naming.  I'm not sure it's meant to work quite like this, but it suits me well.  A little experimentation got me to this point, and was necessary for me because the entire music metadata system and design is nothing but fail for classical music, which is 90% of what I have.

 

Paul

 

* A key thing to note is that if a folder has a music file in it, any subfolders are then combined into it.

Edited May 15, 2020 by pwhodges

[PenkethBoy 2068]

And, again, Emby Metadata manager is mixing music files that are correctly tagged how from a different album. Ones are called and tagged ("Album Name Disc 1" and the other ones "Album Name Disc 2") and located in different folders in file system but Emby seems to stop reading tags just from there and assume tath all files belongs to the same album located at the first folder called Disc 1 in my case. 

 

Even more, I moved anothert Artist and albums "Hot Leg\(2009) Red Light Fever" perfectly tagged into other artist album folder in file system "\Music\Halford\(2007) Metal God Essentials Vol 1\" and Emby Metadamanager ignore tagged information and just take these new ones like part of the artist where files are located into file system.

 

To me this means that your files are not tagged as well as they could be

 

I and others have told you how to tag them to get a better experience in emby and the metadata manager

 

set the track and discname metadata tags correctly and things will look and perform better

 

[Fernando 6]

To me this means that your files are not tagged as well as they could be

 

I and others have told you how to tag them to get a better experience in emby and the metadata manager

 

set the track and discname metadata tags correctly and things will look and perform better

 

Again, files are tagged correctly with Disc # information:

 

 

But, forget just for an instant about the Disc # tag information into the file...Why if the Disc name is different, I mean one ended with (Disc 1) and another with (Disc 2), why Emby Metadata show both albums like just one !?

Edited May 15, 2020 by Fernando

[Luke 42078]

Currently you need a separate folder for each album.

 

A mish mash folder structure is something we plan to be able to accommodate in the future but we're not quite there yet.

[dansblackcat 37]

Are you using the Musicbrainz plug-in?  For 'Metal God Essentials Vol 1' there are multiple listings, some of which are only a single CD.  https://musicbrainz.org/release-group/582617f2-baf1-3bc3-a2d9-9b2734b25a83

 

Your medadata for this album should be-

 

Album Id:  bc-8bae-477c-8905-2f7776332db0

Album Artist Id:  9b96dcab-ed89-42f4-9863-ca5ec473860e

Release Group Id:  582617f2-baf1-3bc3-a2d9-9b2734b25a83

[Fernando 6]

Are you using the Musicbrainz plug-in?  For 'Metal God Essentials Vol 1' there are multiple listings, some of which are only a single CD.  https://musicbrainz.org/release-group/582617f2-baf1-3bc3-a2d9-9b2734b25a83

 

Your medadata for this album should be-

 

Album Id:  bc-8bae-477c-8905-2f7776332db0

Album Artist Id:  9b96dcab-ed89-42f4-9863-ca5ec473860e

Release Group Id:  582617f2-baf1-3bc3-a2d9-9b2734b25a83

It happen with any double disc album. Just try moving one disc from any artist to a different artist with a double disc album and after rescan library Emby Metadata Manager shows these new moved tracks like part of the destiny double album artist even if they are perfectly tagged.

 

Show post #11 https://emby.media/community/index.php?/topic/86320-metadata-manager-identify-double-music-albums-like-single-disc/&do=findComment&comment=883707

Edited May 19, 2020 by Fernando

[Deathsquirrel 745]

The answers you've been given are right but perhaps it will help to get then in one post.  This works.  You don't have to do it, as it's your head and your wall so bang away, but this works.

 

1. Fix your folder structure.  Each album needs a folder.  Keep multi-disc albums in a single folder.  The best folder structure for EMBY is:
   
   \\SERVER\SHARE\ALBUM ARTIST NAME\ALBUM NAME\TRACK TITLE.EXT
   
   For example:
   
   \\SERVERNAME\music\AC-DC\Highway to Hell\AC-DC - Highway to Hell - 1-1 - Highway to Hell.flac
   \\SERVERNAME\music\AC-DC\Back In Black\AC-DC - Back in Black - 1-1 - Hells Bells.flac
   
   For a two-disc album example:
   
   \\SERVERNAME\music\Metallica\S&M\Metallica - S&M - 1-1 - The Ecstasy of Gold.flac
   \\SERVERNAME\music\Metallica\S&M\Metallica - S&M - 2-1 - Nothing Else Matters.flac
    
2. Fix your tags.  Run things through Picard and then use MP3tag to correct errors.  Make sure you check the extended tags as they don't show in the main MP3Tag UI but they can absolutely screw things up for EMBY.  Extended tags are the common cause for having a "Weird Al" Yankovic at the start of your Album Artist view and a Weird Al Yancovic down at the end as well.
   
   A two disc album should have the same title for both discs.  Use the disc number tag to separate the discs.

That's it.  Do that, scan your library.  It will work.

[Fernando 6]

Thank you for your response and proposal, but no thanks. For me it is clearly an error in how Emby reads the metadata of the files, it is unfair that the user should modify the entire file structure and or retag a whole collection to satisfy a bug of the software. With more than 400 Gb of music on my server it does not cross my mind for a moment having to do all that work!

Any other software that I have tried works correctly. Emby Metadata Server stops reading the metadata once it enters the folder with music, it doesn't matter if the files deposited there have a different artist name tagged, a different album, a different disc, etc. it just takes them as part of the top level artist and album this is a clear mistake of the service and not the way of user choose to create the file structure.

 

I prefer to wait for the developers to have time to correct this and in the meantime I will use Kodi again and leave Emby aside to manage music or maybe I'll try Plex or similar.

Edited May 19, 2020 by Fernando