maxxcool7421 0 Posted April 6, 2020 Posted April 6, 2020 (edited) Question, Is playback on Theater supported by 127.0.0.0:<port>?I ask as I am trying to set the Media server to also be a player. I noticed that if I start a file copy TOO the Media player which is the EMBY SERVER that playback will begin stuttering and eventually buffer in Theater. So I had the Idea to connect the local THEATER install on loopback to avoid the THEATER to SERVER traffic from leaving the device and avoid actual 'network use' without using a external player.Is this supported and or does it have any weird gotchas to look out for?TY in advance .. Edited April 6, 2020 by maxxcool7421
Luke 42083 Posted April 6, 2020 Posted April 6, 2020 Hi there, yes it should work just fine. Have you given it a try?
maxxcool7421 0 Posted April 6, 2020 Author Posted April 6, 2020 Hi there, yes it should work just fine. Have you given it a try? Indeed, monitored it and it does not use any external traffic for playback, seems to work. I will test loading the actual nic and see if playback is affected... I 'think' it should not ... but Windows is Windows so I will advise.
maxxcool7421 0 Posted April 6, 2020 Author Posted April 6, 2020 (edited) Indeed, monitored it and it does not use any external traffic for playback, seems to work. I will test loading the actual nic and see if playback is affected... I 'think' it should not ... but Windows is Windows so I will advise. Test failed, It still stutters playback terribly to transfer a file 'to the server' while using Theater 'on the server' to play files. Drat. I assume this is expected since the servers's disk I/O is tied up on the file transfer? The incoming file transfer is @ 104MB\s (Windows server) over 1GB wire. Edited April 6, 2020 by maxxcool7421
Luke 42083 Posted April 6, 2020 Posted April 6, 2020 I assume this is expected since the servers's disk I/O is tied up on the file transfer? It could be, but we'd have to look at an example.
maxxcool7421 0 Posted April 6, 2020 Author Posted April 6, 2020 It could be, but we'd have to look at an example. Are there additional log settings to set? I did not see any 'errors' but I am unfamiliar with Emby's logs ============================================= 2020-04-06 11:40:04.355 Info SessionManager: Playback start reported by app Emby Theater 3.0.11 playing Big Hero 6. Started at 0 ms 2020-04-06 11:40:04.356 Info HttpServer: HTTP Response 204 to 127.0.0.1. Time: 4ms. http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing 2020-04-06 11:40:04.357 Info MediaInfoService: User policy for beecker. EnablePlaybackRemuxing: True EnableVideoPlaybackTranscoding: True EnableAudioPlaybackTranscoding: True 2020-04-06 11:40:04.358 Info HttpServer: HTTP Response 200 to 127.0.0.1. Time: 5ms. http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Items/105/PlaybackInfo?UserId=85fddc047ef949d1923b022d94951d01&StartTimeTicks=0&IsPlayback=false&AutoOpenLiveStream=false&MaxStreamingBitrate=140000000&DirectPlayProtocols=File%2CHttp%2CRtp%2CRtmp%2CRtsp%2CFtp 2020-04-06 11:40:04.425 Debug ImageProcessor: Image encoding took 70ms for C:\Users\beecker\AppData\Roaming\Emby-Server\programdata\metadata\library\51\512c781719f6d4bb7980f13adfe8ccd2\clearlogo.png 2020-04-06 11:40:04.426 Info HttpServer: HTTP Response 200 to 127.0.0.1. Time: 71ms. http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Items/105/Images/Logo?tag=52a1067220f5f444e670db385d37e25e&quality=90 2020-04-06 11:40:05.017 Info HttpServer: HTTP POST http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress. UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) EmbyTheater/3.0.11 Chrome/80.0.3987.137 Electron/8.1.0 Safari/537.36 2020-04-06 11:40:05.018 Info HttpServer: HTTP Response 204 to 127.0.0.1. Time: 1ms. http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress 2020-04-06 11:40:09.266 Info HttpServer: HTTP POST http://192.168.1.100:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress. UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) EmbyTheater/3.0.11 Chrome/80.0.3987.137 Electron/8.1.0 Safari/537.36 2020-04-06 11:40:09.418 Info HttpServer: HTTP Response 204 to 192.168.1.120. Time: 152ms. http://192.168.1.100:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress 2020-04-06 11:40:09.889 Info HttpServer: HTTP POST http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress. UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) EmbyTheater/3.0.11 Chrome/80.0.3987.137 Electron/8.1.0 Safari/537.36 2020-04-06 11:40:09.890 Info HttpServer: HTTP Response 204 to 127.0.0.1. Time: 1ms. http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress 2020-04-06 11:40:09.972 Info HttpServer: HTTP POST http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress. UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) EmbyTheater/3.0.11 Chrome/80.0.3987.137 Electron/8.1.0 Safari/537.36 2020-04-06 11:40:09.973 Info HttpServer: HTTP Response 204 to 127.0.0.1. Time: 1ms. http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress 2020-04-06 11:40:10.018 Info HttpServer: HTTP POST http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress. UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) EmbyTheater/3.0.11 Chrome/80.0.3987.137 Electron/8.1.0 Safari/537.36 2020-04-06 11:40:10.019 Info HttpServer: HTTP Response 204 to 127.0.0.1. Time: 1ms. http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress 2020-04-06 11:40:11.097 Info HttpServer: HTTP POST http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress. UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) EmbyTheater/3.0.11 Chrome/80.0.3987.137 Electron/8.1.0 Safari/537.36 2020-04-06 11:40:11.098 Info HttpServer: HTTP Response 204 to 127.0.0.1. Time: 1ms. http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress 2020-04-06 11:40:11.716 Info HttpServer: HTTP POST http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress. UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) EmbyTheater/3.0.11 Chrome/80.0.3987.137 Electron/8.1.0 Safari/537.36 2020-04-06 11:40:11.717 Info HttpServer: HTTP Response 204 to 127.0.0.1. Time: 1ms. http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress 2020-04-06 11:40:12.018 Info HttpServer: HTTP POST http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress. UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) EmbyTheater/3.0.11 Chrome/80.0.3987.137 Electron/8.1.0 Safari/537.36 2020-04-06 11:40:12.019 Info HttpServer: HTTP Response 204 to 127.0.0.1. Time: 1ms. http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress 2020-04-06 11:40:19.266 Info HttpServer: HTTP POST http://192.168.1.100:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress. UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) EmbyTheater/3.0.11 Chrome/80.0.3987.137 Electron/8.1.0 Safari/537.36 2020-04-06 11:40:19.267 Info HttpServer: HTTP Response 204 to 192.168.1.120. Time: 1ms. http://192.168.1.100:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress 2020-04-06 11:40:22.020 Info HttpServer: HTTP POST http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress. UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) EmbyTheater/3.0.11 Chrome/80.0.3987.137 Electron/8.1.0 Safari/537.36 2020-04-06 11:40:22.058 Info HttpServer: HTTP Response 204 to 127.0.0.1. Time: 38ms. http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress 2020-04-06 11:40:22.231 Info HttpServer: HTTP POST http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress. UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) EmbyTheater/3.0.11 Chrome/80.0.3987.137 Electron/8.1.0 Safari/537.36 2020-04-06 11:40:22.232 Info HttpServer: HTTP Response 204 to 127.0.0.1. Time: 1ms. http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress 2020-04-06 11:40:23.019 Info HttpServer: HTTP POST http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress. UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) EmbyTheater/3.0.11 Chrome/80.0.3987.137 Electron/8.1.0 Safari/537.36 2020-04-06 11:40:23.065 Info HttpServer: HTTP Response 204 to 127.0.0.1. Time: 46ms. http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress 2020-04-06 11:40:23.067 Info HttpServer: HTTP POST http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress. UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) EmbyTheater/3.0.11 Chrome/80.0.3987.137 Electron/8.1.0 Safari/537.36 2020-04-06 11:40:23.068 Info HttpServer: HTTP Response 204 to 127.0.0.1. Time: 1ms. http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress 2020-04-06 11:40:24.019 Info HttpServer: HTTP POST http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress. UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) EmbyTheater/3.0.11 Chrome/80.0.3987.137 Electron/8.1.0 Safari/537.36 2020-04-06 11:40:24.020 Info HttpServer: HTTP Response 204 to 127.0.0.1. Time: 1ms. http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress 2020-04-06 11:40:24.484 Info HttpServer: HTTP POST http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress. UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) EmbyTheater/3.0.11 Chrome/80.0.3987.137 Electron/8.1.0 Safari/537.36 2020-04-06 11:40:24.509 Info HttpServer: HTTP Response 204 to 127.0.0.1. Time: 26ms. http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress 2020-04-06 11:40:24.767 Info HttpServer: HTTP POST http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress. UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) EmbyTheater/3.0.11 Chrome/80.0.3987.137 Electron/8.1.0 Safari/537.36 2020-04-06 11:40:24.767 Info HttpServer: HTTP Response 204 to 127.0.0.1. Time: 1ms. http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress 2020-04-06 11:40:25.019 Info HttpServer: HTTP POST http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress. UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) EmbyTheater/3.0.11 Chrome/80.0.3987.137 Electron/8.1.0 Safari/537.36 2020-04-06 11:40:25.020 Info HttpServer: HTTP Response 204 to 127.0.0.1. Time: 1ms. http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress 2020-04-06 11:40:29.268 Info HttpServer: HTTP POST http://192.168.1.100:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress. UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) EmbyTheater/3.0.11 Chrome/80.0.3987.137 Electron/8.1.0 Safari/537.36 2020-04-06 11:40:29.269 Info HttpServer: HTTP Response 204 to 192.168.1.120. Time: 1ms. http://192.168.1.100:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress 2020-04-06 11:40:35.022 Info HttpServer: HTTP POST http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress. UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) EmbyTheater/3.0.11 Chrome/80.0.3987.137 Electron/8.1.0 Safari/537.36 2020-04-06 11:40:35.023 Info HttpServer: HTTP Response 204 to 127.0.0.1. Time: 1ms. http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress 2020-04-06 11:40:39.267 Info HttpServer: HTTP POST http://192.168.1.100:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress. UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) EmbyTheater/3.0.11 Chrome/80.0.3987.137 Electron/8.1.0 Safari/537.36 2020-04-06 11:40:39.268 Info HttpServer: HTTP Response 204 to 192.168.1.120. Time: 1ms. http://192.168.1.100:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress 2020-04-06 11:40:44.209 Info HttpServer: HTTP POST http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress. UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) EmbyTheater/3.0.11 Chrome/80.0.3987.137 Electron/8.1.0 Safari/537.36 2020-04-06 11:40:44.284 Info HttpServer: HTTP Response 204 to 127.0.0.1. Time: 76ms. http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress 2020-04-06 11:40:44.332 Info HttpServer: HTTP POST http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress. UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) EmbyTheater/3.0.11 Chrome/80.0.3987.137 Electron/8.1.0 Safari/537.36 2020-04-06 11:40:44.333 Info HttpServer: HTTP Response 204 to 127.0.0.1. Time: 1ms. http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress 2020-04-06 11:40:44.377 Info HttpServer: HTTP POST http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress. UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) EmbyTheater/3.0.11 Chrome/80.0.3987.137 Electron/8.1.0 Safari/537.36 2020-04-06 11:40:44.378 Info HttpServer: HTTP Response 204 to 127.0.0.1. Time: 1ms. http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress 2020-04-06 11:40:45.024 Info HttpServer: HTTP POST http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress. UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) EmbyTheater/3.0.11 Chrome/80.0.3987.137 Electron/8.1.0 Safari/537.36 2020-04-06 11:40:45.026 Info HttpServer: HTTP Response 204 to 127.0.0.1. Time: 1ms. http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Progress 2020-04-06 11:40:47.442 Info HttpServer: HTTP POST http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Stopped. UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) EmbyTheater/3.0.11 Chrome/80.0.3987.137 Electron/8.1.0 Safari/537.36 2020-04-06 11:40:47.443 Debug PlaystateService: ReportPlaybackStopped PlaySessionId: 2020-04-06 11:40:47.443 Info SessionManager: Playback stopped reported by app Emby Theater 3.0.11 playing Big Hero 6. Stopped at 41124 ms 2020-04-06 11:40:47.444 Info HttpServer: HTTP Response 204 to 127.0.0.1. Time: 1ms. http://127.0.0.1:8096/emby/Sessions/Playing/Stopped============================================
maxxcool7421 0 Posted April 6, 2020 Author Posted April 6, 2020 ------------------ System Information ------------------ Time of this report: 4/6/2020, 12:21:20 Machine name: MEDIADELL Machine Id: {683D07D4-83F3-4CFF-85F2-DBCAD02CE009} Operating System: Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (10.0, Build 18363) (18362.19h1_release.190318-1202) Language: English (Regional Setting: English) System Manufacturer: Dell Inc. System Model: OptiPlex 7010 BIOS: BRCM MBA Slot 0300 v15.4.2 (type: BIOS) Processor: Intel® Core i7-3770 CPU @ 3.40GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.4GHz Memory: 16384MB RAM Available OS Memory: 16370MB RAM Page File: 4468MB used, 14333MB available Windows Dir: C:\Windows DirectX Version: DirectX 12 DX Setup Parameters: Not found User DPI Setting: 288 DPI (300 percent) System DPI Setting: 288 DPI (300 percent) DWM DPI Scaling: UnKnown Miracast: Available, with HDCP Microsoft Graphics Hybrid: Not Supported DirectX Database Version: Unknown DxDiag Version: 10.00.18362.0387 64bit Unicode --------------- Display Devices --------------- Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GT 1030 Manufacturer: NVIDIA Chip type: GeForce GT 1030 DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC Device Type: Full Device (POST) Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1D01&SUBSYS_63363842&REV_A1 Device Status: 0180200A [DN_DRIVER_LOADED|DN_STARTED|DN_DISABLEABLE|DN_NT_ENUMERATOR|DN_NT_DRIVER] Device Problem Code: No Problem Driver Problem Code: Unknown Display Memory: 10167 MB Dedicated Memory: 1982 MB Shared Memory: 8185 MB Current Mode: 3840 x 2160 (32 bit) (23Hz) HDR Support: Supported Display Topology: Internal Display Color Space: DXGI_COLOR_SPACE_RGB_FULL_G22_NONE_P709 Color Primaries: Red(0.659180,0.339844), Green(0.244141,0.669922), Blue(0.129883,0.040039), White Point(0.312500,0.329102) Display Luminance: Min Luminance = 0.010000, Max Luminance = 1499.000000, MaxFullFrameLuminance = 799.000000 Monitor Name: Generic PnP Monitor Monitor Model: SAMSUNG Monitor Id: SAM0FF1 Native Mode: 3840 x 2160(p) (60.000Hz) Output Type: HDMI Monitor Capabilities: HDR Supported (BT2020RGB BT2020YCC Eotf2084Supported ) Display Pixel Format: DISPLAYCONFIG_PIXELFORMAT_32BPP Advanced Color: AdvancedColorSupported Driver Name: C:\Windows\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nv_dispi.inf_amd64_e0a5a1b06de180e3\nvldumdx.dll,C:\Windows\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nv_dispi.inf_amd64_e0a5a1b06de180e3\nvldumdx.dll,C:\Windows\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nv_dispi.inf_amd64_e0a5a1b06de180e3\nvldumdx.dll,C:\Windows\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nv_dispi.inf_amd64_e0a5a1b06de180e3\nvldumdx.dll Driver File Version: 26.21.0014.4575 (English) Driver Version: 26.21.14.4575 DDI Version: 12 Feature Levels: 12_1,12_0,11_1,11_0,10_1,10_0,9_3,9_2,9_1 Driver Model: WDDM 2.6 Graphics Preemption: Pixel Compute Preemption: Dispatch Miracast: Not Supported Detachable GPU: No Hybrid Graphics GPU: Not Supported Power P-states: Not Supported Virtualization: Paravirtualization Block List: No Blocks Catalog Attributes: Universal:False Declarative:True Driver Attributes: Final Retail Driver Date/Size: 3/16/2020 5:00:00 PM, 964712 bytes WHQL Logo'd: n/a WHQL Date Stamp: n/a Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-5E41-11CF-2D4A-38431BC2D735} Vendor ID: 0x10DE Device ID: 0x1D01 SubSys ID: 0x63363842 Revision ID: 0x00A1 Driver Strong Name: oem2.inf:0f066de3baa39039:Section064:26.21.14.4575:pci\ven_10de&dev_1d01 Rank Of Driver: 00CF2001 Video Accel: DXVA2 Modes: DXVA2_ModeMPEG2_VLD DXVA2_ModeVC1_D2010 DXVA2_ModeVC1_VLD DXVA2_ModeH264_VLD_Stereo_Progressive_NoFGT DXVA2_ModeH264_VLD_Stereo_NoFGT DXVA2_ModeH264_VLD_NoFGT DXVA2_ModeHEVC_VLD_Main DXVA2_ModeHEVC_VLD_Main10 DXVA2_ModeMPEG4pt2_VLD_Simple DXVA2_ModeMPEG4pt2_VLD_AdvSimple_NoGMC DXVA2_ModeVP9_VLD_Profile0 DXVA2_ModeVP9_VLD_10bit_Profile2
Luke 42083 Posted April 7, 2020 Posted April 7, 2020 Please attach the complete emby server log, and the ffmpeg log (if there was one). thanks.
maxxcool7421 0 Posted April 7, 2020 Author Posted April 7, 2020 Please attach the complete emby server log, and the ffmpeg log (if there was one). thanks. I upped my TCP transmit and received buffers on my NIC, and in two rounds of testing have not seen the issue. stay tuned ... do more comprehensive testing later.
maxxcool7421 0 Posted April 9, 2020 Author Posted April 9, 2020 (edited) Thanks for the feedback. I am calling it resolved. After upping the buffers on the NIC in windows the issue seems to no longer occur. for others reference : Control Panel > Network and sharing center > change adapter settings > right click + properties of your NIC > 'configure' > Advanced > ---max out Transmit buffers ---max out receive buffers Edited April 9, 2020 by maxxcool7421
Solution Peter Nent 71 Posted April 14, 2020 Solution Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) I've had simular problems and after long investigating it, it became clear that the problem was generated by my internet router: the firmware of the router caused so called NAT loopback error and eventually crashed the router-restarted-crashed-etc. Thus at my situation the problem didn't come from Emby, but a NAT loopback error of my router... Thnx & regards, Peter Edited April 14, 2020 by Peter Nent 1
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