Help with naming TV shows? Two versions

[Deathsquirrel 745]

While this is commonly so, there are major examples which (as the OP has explained) were censored in the West, so that the soundtracks don't match the same video.  The OP has named one such show; I have at least three others, amounting to well over 100 episodes.  However, multi-versioning isn't necessarily the most convenient way to handle this, as often the censored shows have a different number of episodes (either omitting some, or combining some), so even the episode numbers don't match.  I put them in separate folders myself, and then edit the metadata by hand if necessary.

 

Paul

 

If they're that different I think this is a MUCH better choice.  Keep them as separate series entirely.

Edited April 27, 2020 by Deathsquirrel

[negativzeroe 80]

I reproduced your issue.  The problem is the version picker dropdown alphabetizes the list by title.  Your titles vary for the same episode so you're never going to get the results you want.  You have two options.

1. Standardize your titles to either the English episode name or the English translation of the Japanese episode name.  If the SUB and DUB versions have the same name, other than the version string after the hyphen then this wouldn't be an issue.

 

That is what I'm saying though, I've done this. Literally renamed 1x01 - Dub, 1x01 - Sub. Currently I have 1x01 - DUB title, 1x01 - SUB Title so it should prioritize DUB based on the fact that D comes before S.

 

One episode had DUB on top, another episode has SUB on top. It's not respecting the alphabetical versioning. Luke said before that it prioritizes the "video quality" so that it would select the better stream, but since I have the quality on the same preset it doesn't know what to do so it's just flipping a coin.

Edited April 27, 2020 by negativzeroe

[negativzeroe 80]

If they're that different I think this is a MUCH better choice.  Keep them as separate series entirely.

I tried this but one of them kept going back to the non-duel monsters show (season 0) and would not re-identify as duel monsters. Also it looks janky, it would be much more polished if the sorting worked. It seems to in the movies section:

 

Funny thing is, look at the previous screenshots in post 21 and DUB is actually on top for S01E01.....

 

Tried numbering as well. 1x01.1.dub.mkv, 1x01.2.sub.mkv - based purely on subitle number hoping it would work but it didn't.

Edited April 27, 2020 by negativzeroe

[Deathsquirrel 745]

That is what I'm saying though, I've done this. Literally renamed 1x01 - Dub, 1x01 - Sub. Currently I have 1x01 - DUB title, 1x01 - SUB Title so it should prioritize DUB based on the fact that D comes before S.

 

One episode had DUB on top, another episode has SUB on top. It's not respecting the alphabetical versioning. Luke said before that it prioritizes the "video quality" so that it would select the better stream, but since I have the quality on the same preset it doesn't know what to do so it's just flipping a coin.

 

I can't reproduce this but since I'm only simulating your setup, that makes sense.  If Emby is picking the best quality it's probably something like highest displayable bitrates.  That wouldn't work well in this scenario.  Barring a major change in how this function works, I don't expect the multi-version feature to meet your needs.

[negativzeroe 80]

I can't reproduce this but since I'm only simulating your setup, that makes sense.  If Emby is picking the best quality it's probably something like highest displayable bitrates.  That wouldn't work well in this scenario.  Barring a major change in how this function works, I don't expect the multi-version feature to meet your needs.

Right but my problem is that this IS a problem, it's being treated like it's just how it works and that is that, but the way it works is non-consistent. Let me use the actual wiki's entry to elaborate:

Multi-Version Episode

Multi-Version Episodes are best using the following format:

    show name - S01E01 - Display Name 1.ext
    show name - S01E01 - Display Name 2.ext

For example: Star Trek, The Next Generation - S01E01 - Original Broadcast.mkv Star Trek, The Next Generation - S01E01 - Digital Remix.mkv

anything following the "-" (dash) up to the file extension will be used in the drop down version selector in your Emby client. In this case the two versions show in the interface will be "Original Broadcast" & "Digital Remix".

So if I were to binge, The Next Generation, assuming they are of the same quality, it would just randomly play Original Broadcast or Digital Remix with no rhyme or reason. There has got to be some sort of prioritization other than quality - assuming a person rips a blu ray using makeMKV then passes it through a satisfactory h264/5 preset then the issue will continue to surface.

Edited April 27, 2020 by negativzeroe

[pwhodges 2012]

I tried this but one of them kept going back to the non-duel monsters show (season 0) and would not re-identify as duel monsters. Also it looks janky, it would be much more polished if the sorting worked. 

 

Two folders works smoothly for me.  This image shows two such series:

 

 

In the case of Sailor Moon, the old dub was recognised by TVDB as the same as original, so I had to copy the metadata manually to the correct episodes (well, that's not how I did it, but it will do as a description), and I chose a different primary image to distinguish them.  The other version has both the Japanese and the later English dub soundtracks.

 

In the case of Space Battleship Yamato / Star Blazers (the dub was renamed as well as being edited) I found that TMBD had separate descriptions (TVDB used to have but has lost the one for the edited dub version), so I forced identification that way.

 

Paul

[Happy2Play 9780]

As mentioned in every other topic Multi-version is designed for version resolution not different content.  There currently is no such thing as a default version.  Until there is a option the client is the master driving the ship choosing the version it thinks best meets it needs.

 

Two separate versions is truely the answer.

Edited April 27, 2020 by Happy2Play

[negativzeroe 80]

As mentioned in every other topic Multi-version is designed for version resolution not different content.  There currently is no such thing as a default version.  Until there is a option the client is the master driving the ship choosing the version it thinks best meets it needs.

 

Two separate versions is truely the answer.

Ok so how do you go about this? I have separated into two different folders but it only has one instance in my library that redirects in on itself.

EDIT nevermind found it.

Edited April 27, 2020 by negativzeroe

[negativzeroe 80]

Any way to make the Jpn version prioritize the Japanese episode names?

[Luke 42078]

Any way to make the Jpn version prioritize the Japanese episode names?

 

Have you configured your preferred metadata language for the library appropiately?

[negativzeroe 80]

Have you configured your preferred metadata language for the library appropiately?

Yes, see screenshot above this post, language of show title and overview is in Japanese. Title is still Eng dub title. I reinstalled the anime plugin to no avail.

 

EDIT on another note, how do I undo "split versions apart"?

Edited April 27, 2020 by negativzeroe

[Luke 42078]

Yes, see screenshot above this post, language of show title and overview is in Japanese. Title is still Eng dub title. I reinstalled the anime plugin to no avail.

 

EDIT on another note, how do I undo "split versions apart"?

 

Perhaps the anime plugin hasn't implemented language preferences support. That's something that will need to be looked at if that's the case.

 

There is no undo split, you just have to join them manually, but actually, there's no way to do this in the episode list under the seasons. So you'll have to do the best you can with the all Episodes tab using the multi-select tool.