Rose Red "not supported" in Movies content?

[ember1205 23]

I have the Stephen King, made for TV Movie, Rose Red. Came on two DVD's. If I put this content in a library with "Movies" as the content type, Emby refuses to recognize it correctly and constantly mis-identifies it as Red Roses and Petrol (even if attempting to identify it manually). If I move it to a library with "TV Shows" as the media type, it is identified correctly by Emby.

 

I have other shows like this (Storm of the Century, for example) that seem fine in the Movies section. Any thoughts on why just this one seems to not work?

[ebr 16184]

Hi.  Can you find the item on tmdb?

 

If so, exactly, how is it named?

[ember1205 23]

TMDB Listing: https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/19654-rose-red?language=en-US

 

It's named exactly the same as how I have it named on my system. "Rose Red (2002)". 

 

Here is another that is exactly the same: https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/6971-xiii?language=en-US

 

On my system, it is named "XIII (2008)". It will NOT come up correctly in the Movies library but correctly auto-matches in a TV Shows library.

[ebr 16184]

And what do you see if you use Identify searching by "Rose Red"?

[ember1205 23]

Red Roses and Petrol. That's what comes up automatically, and if doing a manual identify.

 

With XIII, you get two dinosaur movies for kids only.

[ebr 16184]

It is classified as a mini-series.  Therefore, it is TV.

[CChris 59]

try to use the IMDB ID https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0259153/?ref_=nv_sr_1

(tt0259153)

But yes, just saw it right now.
"Episodes: 3"

So it is a TV Show

Edited March 11, 2019 by CChris

[Happy2Play 9780]

They are Mini-Series, no Movies.  So you will always have issues with these in Movie content.  Just like your url links show they are TV content type on TMDB.

 

IMDB lists them as TV Mini-Series aslo.

 

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0259153/

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1117667/

 

typed to slow

Edited March 11, 2019 by Happy2Play

[Happy2Play 9780]

Ultimately since they are Mini-Series in a movie content type the search parameters will never get it right as movies only search movies on providers and tv only search tv.  Just like how you don't see tv provider option in Identify when you use it on a Movie.

 

But you can usually get around this with IMDBID as mentioned above.

[ember1205 23]

I tried forcing the search to use the IMDB ID and neither worked.

 

Why does Storm of the Century work properly, then? Is it because a search against the DB offers NO responses?

 

https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/5028-storm-of-the-century?language=en-US

 

While I completely understand the concept of it being classified as a miniseries would make it TV material, the fact that it was released in only a couple of parts really makes it a "Made for TV MOVIE"

 

Why can't there be an option to support BOTH media types in a single library? Folks with very small libraries might want them combined anyhow.

Edited March 11, 2019 by ember1205

[Happy2Play 9780]

I tried forcing the search to use the IMDB ID and neither worked.

 

Why does Storm of the Century work properly, then? Is it because a search against the DB offers NO responses?

 

https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/5028-storm-of-the-century?language=en-US

 

While I completely understand the concept of it being classified as a miniseries would make it TV material, the fact that it was released in only a couple of parts really makes it a "Made for TV MOVIE"

 

Why can't there be an option to support BOTH media types in a single library? Folks with very small libraries might want them combined anyhow.

The only way you can do this is if you used a Mixed Content type library.  When specific types are used the libraries are limited to that specific type.

[CChris 59]

you can try to use "mixed content" libraries.

[ember1205 23]

Nope. Mixed Content is no "smarter" about matching. 

 

Additionally, it looks terrible with the way that it displays content. I have zero interest in differentiating between TV and Movie content like this and want them all together, with a clean display. 

 

My library setup has a couple of different "DVR" folders for recorded OTA programs, a "Movies" folder for pretty much everything that is a movie in some form (including mini-series and made-for-tv movies), and "TV Shows" which is exclusively for television series that I have the entire collection of, or have recorded the entire collection of OTA.

 

With the way Emby allows media types, I'm forced to either move my "it was never released in a theater therefore it isn't a movie" content (Spielberg would be proud...lol) to a different folder entirely by itself, move that same content in with true television series content, or use a mixed media type library and put up with horrible display. No good choices there.

 

The alternative is to stick with Plex because they don't get that granular with libraries.

 

I could see choosing a Primary Media Type for matching purposes, but restricting it to only one extremely specific and limiting type is more hurtful than helpful for me.

[Happy2Play 9780]

It isn't necessarily a Emby Issue as you can  manually provide the metadata (lock it) and leave it where it is.  I see it a more of a issue of the way the provider api is queried by type.

 

Every situation will be different though.

 

Are these items in one file or multiple files as they were release?

[ember1205 23]

Coma (2012) - Single disc

Hatfields & McCoys (2012) - Two discs

Rose Red (2002) - Two discs

Tin Man (2007) - Two discs

XIII (2008) - Single disc

 

The number of discs should not have an impact, though, as The Godfather Part II (1974) is on two discs and that is recognized just fine by Emby in the movies section.

[Gilgamesh_48 1240]

I fail to see any reason not to place "Rose Red" in a TV library which is where it belongs. Just name it and structure it like this:

TV Shows <-- the library points here

.....Rose Red

........ Season 01

.................Rose Red - s01e01.ext

.................Rose Red - s01e02.ext

.................Rose Red - s01e03.ext

 

In my library I actually have only s01e01 as it contains all two (or three if there are actually three) episodes. Emby does not care if there are missing episodes it just ignores them.

 

You can also name a single episode "Rose Red - s01e01e02e03.ext" if you wish but I also have a Plex library pointing to the same folder and Plex does not handle multiple episodes in one file correctly at all so I use a compromise naming that works with both systems for multiple episode files.

[ember1205 23]

I fail to see any reason not to place "Rose Red" in a TV library which is where it belongs. Just name it and structure it like this:

TV Shows <-- the library points here

.....Rose Red

........ Season 01

.................Rose Red - s01e01.ext

.................Rose Red - s01e02.ext

.................Rose Red - s01e03.ext

 

In my library I actually have only s01e01 as it contains all two (or three if there are actually three) episodes. Emby does not care if there are missing episodes it just ignores them.

 

You can also name a single episode "Rose Red - s01e01e02e03.ext" if you wish but I also have a Plex library pointing to the same folder and Plex does not handle multiple episodes in one file correctly at all so I use a compromise naming that works with both systems for multiple episode files.

 

I've basically already stated my reason. I have 2600 movies and five "TV Series" that need to be in a separate library. Plex doesn't care and allows me to put them together with no extra work (I've no interest in creating and storing metadata). Emby's strictness around this makes things much more clunky for me.

[Happy2Play 9780]

Primary issue is providers as id "19654" means Red Rose for TV and The Man I Love for Movie.  (query by type)

 

 

Coma (2012) - Single disc

Hatfields & McCoys (2012) - Two discs

Rose Red (2002) - Two discs

Tin Man (2007) - Two discs

XIII (2008) - Single disc

 

The number of discs should not have an impact, though, as The Godfather Part II (1974) is on two discs and that is recognized just fine by Emby in the movies section.

 

Sure it does depending on your folder structure and naming scheme.

 

But I add three part Rose Red (2002) with imdbid and the only thing I had to is add images. (or ensure omdb is enable for images)

 

 

All Mini-Series will require manual intervention if you wish them to be Movies do the way the providers present them.  You can manually make Emby do what you want though.

Edited March 11, 2019 by Happy2Play

[Gilgamesh_48 1240]

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All Mini-Series will require manual intervention if you wish them to be Movies do the way the providers present them.  You can manually make Emby do what you want though.

 

Actually Emby must be better, in some cases, than you think it is. It correctly matched as movies, on first try, the TV version of: "Coma", "Storm of the Century", "Andromeda Strain" and several others. However it does completely fail to match, as a movie "Rose Red" and several others.

 

I have no idea why some miniseries match and others don't but it does not really matter much because there is the ability to insert metadata manually and there is also the option to do, as I have with "Rose Red", and simply place the files in a TV structure.

 

I have found that both Emby and Plex are flexible enough to allow just about any file to "exist" as a movie. It is just that some things must be done manually in some cases.

[Happy2Play 9780]

You have to remember multiple providers (or what you have enabled) and order of precedence. With content type movie, TMDB will only search the /movie portion of TMDB.  Rose Red only exists in "themoviedb.org/tv" portion of TMDB, so the query in content type Movies will never query the /tv ​side.

 

This is why you can not input a id from tmdb that only exists in /tv for a movie.

 

 

Primary issue is providers as id "19654" means Red Rose for TV and The Man I Love for Movie.  (query by type)

Edited March 11, 2019 by Happy2Play

[ember1205 23]

Primary issue is providers as id "19654" means Red Rose for TV and The Man I Love for Movie.

 

 

 

Sure it does depending on your folder structure and naming scheme.

 

But I add three part Rose Red (2002) with imdbid and the only thing I had to is add images. (or ensure omdb is enable for images)

 

 

All Mini-Series will require manual intervention if you wish them to be Movies do the way the providers present them.  You can manually make Emby do what you want though.

 

First, a question... Why would the provider's ID be an issue if that isn't known until the query is done in the first place? 

 

Second, a comment... Based on the image you attached, it appears that you are not following the standard/suggested/required naming scheme. In my library, I have:

 

/path/to/TV Shows/Rose Red (2002)/

|-- Rose Red (2002) - Disc 1.mkv

|-- Rose Red (2002) - Disc 2.mkv

 

If I follow your instructions for this specific title, it seems I can get it loaded (long way around the barn, but at least I don't have to keep it in a different folder). In fact, If I follow these steps I can get ALL of them loaded. The problem that I have is that XIII as a specific example REFUSED to load previously when trying to identify it only by the IMDB ID. After moving it to a TV Show library, properly identifying it, and then moving it to a Movie library, it will work.

 

Seems something is still slightly amiss.

[ember1205 23]

Actually Emby must be better, in some cases, than you think it is. It correctly matched as movies, on first try, the TV version of: "Coma", "Storm of the Century", "Andromeda Strain" and several others. However it does completely fail to match, as a movie "Rose Red" and several others.

 

I have no idea why some miniseries match and others don't but it does not really matter much because there is the ability to insert metadata manually and there is also the option to do, as I have with "Rose Red", and simply place the files in a TV structure.

 

I have found that both Emby and Plex are flexible enough to allow just about any file to "exist" as a movie. It is just that some things must be done manually in some cases.

 

Lack of a match doesn't necessarily make it better. In the case of matching done within Plex, it may still choose the same 'wrong' title automatically, but you would at least have the option to manually choose the right one (it would be in the list). With Emby, you're restricted to only a portion of the database, period.

 

 

You have to remember multiple providers (or what you have enabled) and order of precedence. With content type movie, TMDB will only search the /movie portion of TMDB.  Rose Red only exists in "themoviedb.org/tv" portion of TMDB, so the query in content type Movies will never query the /tv ​side.

 

This is why you can not input a id from tmdb that only exists in /tv for a movie.

 

While I understand exactly what you're saying, I see that restriction as being stronger than it needs to be. At least having an option to search the ENTIRE database, especially on a manual identification, would be extremely useful.

[Happy2Play 9780]

First, a question... Why would the provider's ID be an issue if that isn't known until the query is done in the first place? 

 

Second, a comment... Based on the image you attached, it appears that you are not following the standard/suggested/required naming scheme. In my library, I have:

 

/path/to/TV Shows/Rose Red (2002)/

|-- Rose Red (2002) - Disc 1.mkv

|-- Rose Red (2002) - Disc 2.mkv

 

If I follow your instructions for this specific title, it seems I can get it loaded (long way around the barn, but at least I don't have to keep it in a different folder). In fact, If I follow these steps I can get ALL of them loaded. The problem that I have is that XIII as a specific example REFUSED to load previously when trying to identify it only by the IMDB ID. After moving it to a TV Show library, properly identifying it, and then moving it to a Movie library, it will work.

 

Seems something is still slightly amiss.

 

1.  The issue is the guess returned items that are not a perfect match.  So it gives you be best result returned from the provider API.  So you can not go directly off of what the website returns and it is different then the API.

 

2.  Movie standards will search folder name if within an folder for Movies.  If not within a folder then filename will be used.  There are many variables to try and support everyone's naming scheme that are not documents.

 

Do you have OMDB enable as a metadata downloader?  What imdb id are you using for XIII (2008)? Is it not https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1117667/ ?

 

Edited March 11, 2019 by Happy2Play

[ember1205 23]

I added OMDB for metadata prior to moving the TV Series items back into the library... That could have been what the difference was.

[kidnappervan 4]

I also have some made for TV movies that I've had to manually provide the metadata for. My issue with this is that those movies, along with some documentaries that don't appear in any database, are not properly sorted by date.  When I sort by release date, ascending, those 50 or so movies that I've manually added metadata for are always on top.