Blatherscribe 5 Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 Is there a way to correct the order in which Emby applies metadata to a TV series? It's very strange, but the metadata server has the episodes in an order unique unto itself. There's the production order (which is the order in which they appear on the DVD), the order in which they were broadcast in the US, the broadcast order in the UK... and the Emby metadata server order is something else entirely. I'd like to substitute US broadcast order. How do I make that happen? It would be simplest if I could just connect the metadata to the right file, but I don't see any way to do that. On a related topic, how do I eliminate ALL metadata Emby has ever saved? There are some images and such hanging around from before I made some changes to my libraries, which I'd like to remove. Thanks!
Luke 42079 Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 Hi there, can you please go over an example? Episode order is determined by season and episode numbers.
Blatherscribe 5 Posted February 25, 2019 Author Posted February 25, 2019 I've named each file with s01e01, s01e02, and so on. But the metadata server thinks s01e01 is s01e02, except for the episode number. Everything is bumped up one episode until about the middle of the first season, when it goes haywire. It's an older show, and episode order depended on what a given network affiliate felt like doing, so I'm not surprised that your chosen database has its own unique order. But I'd like to be able to attach the metadata to the "correct" episodes. Can I just tell Emby to connect each chunk of metadata to a different file? Also, is there a less, um, chatty database I can connect to? I'm not terribly interested in someone else's reviews of the things I watch, but the metadata is filled with them, rather than simple descriptions of the episodes.
ebr 16184 Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 Hi. Did these files have existing metadata files?
Blatherscribe 5 Posted February 25, 2019 Author Posted February 25, 2019 Nope. Just filenames. If you need to know which TV series, it's the Muppet Show. Series order isn't super important, except for the first couple of episodes. So if it's a major hassle I can rename most of the episodes and just fix the first few.
Luke 42079 Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 Can you please go over specific examples?
Blatherscribe 5 Posted February 25, 2019 Author Posted February 25, 2019 I'm not sure how much more specific I can be. Season 1, episode 1 has the metadata for episode 2 attached, and every other episode is mixed up like that, because whoever entered it in the database put them in the wrong order. Is there some particular bit of information you need that I'm not aware I should provide?
Happy2Play 9781 Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 All Emby can do is provide metadata for the orders provided from provider sites. Does a provider site have a option for the same order your media is in? If not then it is a lot of manual work. A lot of cartoons are this way. So you would have to go over a specific example. Break it down exactly the issue, be specific.
Blatherscribe 5 Posted February 25, 2019 Author Posted February 25, 2019 I'm sorry, I genuinely do not understand what you want. Specifically, every single episode has a different episode's metadata (except for episode number). Season 1, episode 1 is numbered episode 1, but every other piece of data (title, cast, description, photos) is for episode 2. The entire series is like this.
Happy2Play 9781 Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 Have you looked TVDB and TMDB as The Muppets Show is tracked differently. Is that the issue? ie what is episode 1? Jim Nabors or Joel Grey https://www.thetvdb.com/series/the-muppet-show/seasons/1https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/4459-the-muppet-show/season/1?sort_by=episode_number.asc&language=en-US
ebr 16184 Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 because whoever entered it in the database put them in the wrong order. Who entered them in what database? If the providers we use list the information this way, the only thing that can be done is either change it at the provider, or change it locally and lock it.
abescalamis 84 Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) Please make sure your issue is not the following: Check your series and check how was named, by that I mean if it was named using the IMDB, TVdb, TMdb those use different information As an example I will tell you what happened to me a few times: I got an entire show and the person named it using the IMDB and then I have set the scraper to use the TVdb and that screw everything like it did to you. So now when I scrape a show I first check and if it was named using the IMDB I use the same scraper. This is a nightmare for because those sites cannot agree to use the same data/information Edited February 25, 2019 by abescalamis
Blatherscribe 5 Posted February 25, 2019 Author Posted February 25, 2019 Happy2Play, Emby is using the TVdb order -- but the other one is wrong, too! It's really rather strange, everyone seems to have their own episode order. I would be happy if I could just put the first two episodes in the New York broadcast order, which is apparently what was originally intended, so the Jim Henson-approved first episode is first, and the second episode is second. After that, I can't be bothered. https://muppet.fandom.com/wiki/Production_order_vs._Broadcast_order How do I change it locally and lock it? I can't find the file location for the metadata, or I would just rename two files and hope that did the trick. Also, can I delete all the metadata Emby has gathered, and start over? There were some videos from an online class I took in my "movies" library which I have since removed, but Emby still has still images from them appearing various places.
Happy2Play 9781 Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) Emby has three possible orders (Aired, DVD, and Absolute) that can be set per series in edit metadata on that series. But you have to know the order your episodes are saved in and if the provider website has that same order for the metadata. Metadata location is determined by the options you selected when you created the library. I don't believe Emby currently uses TMDB groups. https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/4459-the-muppet-show/episode_group/5b91ca199251416f6b001ad4/group/5b91ca819251416f6b001b2b Edited February 25, 2019 by Happy2Play
abescalamis 84 Posted February 25, 2019 Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) Happy2Play, Emby is using the TVdb order -- but the other one is wrong, too! It's really rather strange, everyone seems to have their own episode order. I would be happy if I could just put the first two episodes in the New York broadcast order, which is apparently what was originally intended, so the Jim Henson-approved first episode is first, and the second episode is second. After that, I can't be bothered. https://muppet.fandom.com/wiki/Production_order_vs._Broadcast_order How do I change it locally and lock it? I can't find the file location for the metadata, or I would just rename two files and hope that did the trick. Also, can I delete all the metadata Emby has gathered, and start over? There were some videos from an online class I took in my "movies" library which I have since removed, but Emby still has still images from them appearing various places. This is what I do for that: I use a program (Tinymedianamager, Ember or Filebot) but you can also use Emby, but first you MUST move the episodes manually to the correct season folders before because the scrapers don't move the videos, that is why you had that mess now, I use the TVdb. I've tried a lot of programs and none of them does it automatically you have to manually move the episode the correct season folder then you run the scraper it will fix it even if the episode number is wrong but it will need for the episode name to be correct. I wouldn' recommend to change it locally and lock it if you move to a new server or re-do your library it will mess it up again. I have been there, done that! Edited February 25, 2019 by abescalamis
Blatherscribe 5 Posted February 26, 2019 Author Posted February 26, 2019 OK... the show is in its own folder. There's no "correct season folder" to worry about. The problem isn't that the server is failing to identify the show, season, or episode; the problem is that the metadata server has the episode order wrong. I guess it's not possible to put the shows in the order I want. But I do appreciate the help, and the suggestions. I've set everything to go from TMDB, since it at least had the episodes in the same order as the DVD. Thanks again.
Blatherscribe 5 Posted February 26, 2019 Author Posted February 26, 2019 Right, well, now it's getting weirder. I set everything to get info ONLY from The Movie DB, which according to the link above uses production order... and it got it all in a DIFFERENT wrong order. I'm at a complete loss. How do I get these episodes to display the correct data? Would it work if I re-enabled NFO files and placing all images in the same folder as the video, then manually renamed and edited the NFO files?
Happy2Play 9781 Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 As I commented TMDB Groups shows the order you appear to want. But that is something new that TMDB has added. I believe the Series Display Order options (Aired, DVD, Absolute) only comes from TVDB. As you can see in that link all it is doing is remapping episodes, so 1 displays episode 19 according to TMDB. All these orders can create chaos. Shows like this can require a lot of manual care when you want them in a different order then what the provider sites have.
Blatherscribe 5 Posted February 26, 2019 Author Posted February 26, 2019 OK... how do I do the manual care part? I'm willing, I just don't know how. And it seems I'll have to do a lot of it. I was just looking at the TVDB for other series I own, and as one example it has Firefly in the wrong order. Are there any metadata providers that I can use with Emby that are accurate?
Blatherscribe 5 Posted February 26, 2019 Author Posted February 26, 2019 Finally have it sorted. I figured out how to lock the season's metadata, edited the first three episodes to fix their order, then renamed the rest to match the OUTRIGHT TYRANNY (kidding ) of the metadata server. I'll call it close enough. And now I know how to fix Firefly when the time comes. Thanks again for all the help!
maximumentropy 24 Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 And now I know how to fix Firefly when the time comes. I'd appreciate if you could share. I have the episodes named with the "correct" episode viewing order, which means the metadata from TVDB for each episode is wrong (since they use broadcast order). I'm really not sure what steps to take to fix it.
Blatherscribe 5 Posted February 26, 2019 Author Posted February 26, 2019 First I made sure I had set the metadata to save as NFO files. Next, in the main Emby Server menu (from the Home screen, not the server settings screen), there's something labeled Metadata Manager. If you navigate to a show or season, you can lock it against future changes. I did this, then edited the NFO files for the problematic episodes. It was a simple matter of copying and pasting, for the most part, except for needing to change two items: where it said "<episode>1</episode>" and "<poster>filename.jpg</poster>". I changed those to the correct values, saved the files, and rescanned the library, and now it appears the way I want it to. Someone mentioned earlier that if you change servers you could lose all of these changes, so if doing so I'd back up the folder with the changes first. 1
maximumentropy 24 Posted February 26, 2019 Posted February 26, 2019 First I made sure I had set the metadata to save as NFO files. Thanks, I think I got it now!
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