Neminem 1518 Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 Hmm try reading this... All the guides.... ! https://www.videohelp.com/guides that should be a start Learn it, do it, rip it then play it.
arrbee99 1815 Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 I cannot find anything that will tell me how to get the rip tool to actually open the damned DVD! Once the DVD is opened I am sure the tool will create the file but none of the documentation on any of the tools explains that first step. I put stuff in post no 12 if you have (or can put) MakeMKV on a Linux machine. MakeMKV is free while in beta, which it has been for a really long time. If its not clear please let me know.
jamesalancobban 5 Posted February 17, 2018 Author Posted February 17, 2018 Hmm try reading this... All the guides.... ! https://www.videohelp.com/guides that should be a start Learn it, do it, rip it then play it. Thank you. I went to that site and could not find any guides on how to rip a DVD. There are tutorials on changing formats. There are tutorials on writing DVDs. I tried many combinations of options and the only time I actually got a response it required that I run a Windows only tool to obtain the PDF of the guide. Bear in mind that before I started this thread I did not even know the VERB to use. Obviously the authors of these tools are trying to be helpful. They are trying to support as many requirements as possible. I just don't understand why when I click on the DVD entry in the file menu Handbrake doesn't open the DVD! Rather it assumes that what I want to do is act on some individual file on the DVD. However the movie in question is obviously represented as a separate video file for each chapter of the movie, plus other files which describe the structure of the movie, and since I cannot read the mind of the author of the DVD to understand what order the chapters are organized in, nor do I understand the arcana of all of the different file formats, I want the tool to deal with that crap for me. All I want to do is read the bloody movie. I do not want to take the time to become an expert in all of the arcana of the process. So all I want to do is click on the DVD the way all of the documentation says I am supposed to and have it convert the movie to a file. Is that so much to ask?
arrbee99 1815 Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 Does this help https://www.tweaking4all.com/video/rip-dvd-blu-ray/linux-handbrake-copy-a-dvd-to-mp4-or-mkv-file/ Just skimmed through it, and maybe you've seen it already, but anyway...
lorac 118 Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 I do not want to go to some sleezy download site with illegal copies of the programs. For one thing these days that can get you black-balled from the whole frigging Internet. But I have spent days searching for videos that I wanted to watch and not found anywhere that I could do a legal download. In some cases the original copyright holder has gone bankrupt and I have attempted to contact the companies that bought up the assets but apparently all of these media companies are too busy suing people for downloading and bribing politicians to make the process punitive to be able to actually SELL access to their properties. For example I cannot find anything from EMI films since it went bankrupt. I would also like to buy downloads of the CBS program JAG, but that program isn't even licensed for VIEWING in Canada since it is only available on CBS All Access which is only available in the USA. So if I want to watch any of those programs I have to buy the DVD sets and that takes me back to "HOW DO I GET THE VIDEO OFF THE DVD AND INTO A FILE!"It can not get you blackballed especially in Canada. They are not interested in selling you a digital copy of the movie except for some newer BD which come with that option when you purchase the movie. Most of them aren't sleezy (IMO). They have annoying ads but that's what adblocker is for. I'm pretty sure the media companies would regard your breaking the encryption 'digital lock' as illegal. CBS all access is coming to Canada in June. Sent from my STV100-3 using Tapatalk
Guest asrequested Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 I'll make a gif, later. Showing how to use Handbrake with a DVD.
Gilgamesh_48 1240 Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 I'll make a gif, later. Showing how to use Handbrake with a DVD. But is it not true that Handbrake will not encode a commercial DVD due to copy protection so you have to rip a DVD with some other program and then use Handbrake on the result?
Guest asrequested Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 But is it not true that Handbrake will not encode a commercial DVD due to copy protection so you have to rip a DVD with some other program and then use Handbrake on the result? Apparently he's got the decryption key on his computer.
jamesalancobban 5 Posted February 17, 2018 Author Posted February 17, 2018 Apparently he's got the decryption key on his computer. The ability to decrypt DVDs for your current zone is one of the rights you get as part of buying a DVD player. When you install the "restricted extras" into Linux, which includes the DVD decryption code, you have to sign an agreement that you understand that the decryption can only be used for personal use. I have written to the top expert in copyright in Canada about this. In Canada part of the cost of buying any piece of equipment that can play any media format, and for any device which can hold a media file such as an SSD, HD, or even DRAM, is a fee to a fund for artists, so if you can physically play the media you have the right to play the media. Now DRM, which applies to BlueRays is something additional and applies to the individual video. Legal software, at least in the US, cannot break DRM because that would violate the Digital Millennium Act. That is why most Blu-Rays come with a separate disk that is not locked. One of the ways that Trump shot himself in the foot was by cancelling participation in the Trans-Pacific Partnership since one of the items in that agreement was that the partners agreed to enforce DRM in their territories. Enforcement of DRM and the associated increase in the copyright period from the international standard 60 years was politically unpopular in all of the other countries, including Canada, and many people heaved a sign of relief when Trump backed out. Since the US is no longer participating in the TPP that item has been dropped, and breaking DRM is not illegal outside of the US although the associated copyright violation remains. I do not understand why the copyright owners do not make it easier to buy the download since the costs of maintaining and distributing physical sets of disks is insane, whereas a download is almost pure profit. 1
Guest asrequested Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 (edited) That's interesting. I've never thought about it, but it makes sense. So are you still not able to get Handbrake to work? Edited February 17, 2018 by Doofus
jamesalancobban 5 Posted February 17, 2018 Author Posted February 17, 2018 Does this help https://www.tweaking4all.com/video/rip-dvd-blu-ray/linux-handbrake-copy-a-dvd-to-mp4-or-mkv-file/ Just skimmed through it, and maybe you've seen it already, but anyway... Yes I did find that. But when I click on the DVD in the left hand column HandBrake does NOT change the button at the lower right to say OK. Instead it just opens the DVD as a file system and displays its contents. I found a lot of sites like that and they are all obviously at the least out of date because none of them work.
arrbee99 1815 Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 Maybe this https://www.makemkv.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=224 is worth a go ? Being Linux its unintelligible to me. Course maybe it still needs that libcss thing you mentioned. Not sure if its included in MakeMKV or not.
jamesalancobban 5 Posted February 17, 2018 Author Posted February 17, 2018 That's interesting. I've never thought about it, but it makes sense. So are you still not able to get Handbrake to work? I finally found a reasonably current set of instructions for installing all of the pre-requisite software, including libdvdcss. Until that was installed of course HandBrake could not do anything. It is still not possible to click on the DVD itself as it appears in the file menu. But down at the bottom left corner , opposite where all of the documentation tells you to look for the OK, there is a subtle little item that displays "DVDs not selected". Somehow the user is expected to psychically know that if you click on that innocent looking element it turns out to be a selection list which now that I have installed all the required software displays a second item in the list "/dev/sr" Huh? Really intuitive right? But if I click on that obscure "/dev/sr" HandBrake reads the DVD and gives you the ability to create a .m4v file. It then took almost 2 hours to encode a 3 hour made for TV movie at 720x480 resolution. So I have succeeded in ripping one DVD 1
Guest asrequested Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 (edited) Just choose VIDEO_TS.IFO in Handbrake. That should give you what you want Edited February 17, 2018 by Doofus
Guest asrequested Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 I finally found a reasonably current set of instructions for installing all of the pre-requisite software, including libdvdcss. Until that was installed of course HandBrake could not do anything. It is still not possible to click on the DVD itself as it appears in the file menu. But down at the bottom left corner , opposite where all of the documentation tells you to look for the OK, there is a subtle little item that displays "DVDs not selected". Somehow the user is expected to psychically know that if you click on that innocent looking element it turns out to be a selection list which now that I have installed all the required software displays a second item in the list "/dev/sr" Huh? Really intuitive right? But if I click on that obscure "/dev/sr" HandBrake reads the DVD and gives you the ability to create a .m4v file. It then took almost 2 hours to encode a 3 hour made for TV movie at 720x480 resolution. So I have succeeded in ripping one DVD Well done!
arrbee99 1815 Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 That's great, but (sorry can't resist) I think Handbrake can't rip blurays so you'll need another program for that (unless of course I'm completely wrong...)
d00zah 149 Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 For curious Windows users, I tried an experiment... https://www.winxdvd.com/resource/libdvdcss-windows-download.htm Tested on 'Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (2000)'... ~39min to complete using VidCoder/Handbrake. Only works for css-protected DVDs & I believe this restriction will apply to the OP, as well.
arrbee99 1815 Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 What did it do during those 39 min - Rip a DVD ? compress it ? just wondering.
d00zah 149 Posted February 17, 2018 Posted February 17, 2018 What did it do during those 39 min - Rip a DVD ? compress it ? just wondering. A direct rip (without AnyDVD-HD, or MakeMKV). Compression determined by profile selection. Again, this would be limited to css-protected discs only (based on theory, web-research). Seems like the .dll was included w/ HandBrake up to a certain point, then removed. Based on this limitation, as well as the OP using a linux platform, MakeMKV would seem the most inclusive solution. IMO 1) runs natively on 'nix platforms 2) 'free' while in beta, although BD functionality will require the ~bi-monthly renewal of the beta key 3) $50 lifetime 'buy in'... recommended to support Mike 4) not only supports the OP's stated requirement of DVDs, but BDs & UHDs (w/ necessary HW), as well The alternative, which I've played with recently, is a VM running Windows. 1) VirtualBox is free, for personal use & runs natively on 'nix platforms 2) MS offers 'free' Windows VM images (with a 90-day time limit): https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms/ 3) AnyDVD-HD has a more expensive buy-in... ~$120 US. Can sometimes be had w/ periodic 20% discount & 10% crypto currency discount.... recommended to support the project. Note #1: Currently offers a 21-day trial. Note #2: Not a stated requirement of the OP, but worthy of note... as with the addition of BD support to AnyDVD > AnyDVD-HD for a fee, I expect AnyDVD-HD > AnyDVD-UHD to require an 'update fee' once the feature has matured. 1
arrbee99 1815 Posted February 18, 2018 Posted February 18, 2018 Started off using DVDFab, then seemed to move on to MakeMKV. Nothing against DVDFab, worked fine, just seemed to work my way over. Doubt if I'll ever move to UHD, can't see that much of a difference - with my eyes anyway, which are the only ones I've got... So I use MakeMKV, then MakeMKV Batch Converter, then chuck out the Specials and The Making Of stuff and compress in Handbrake to end up with a smaller version and its backup for less space than the uncompressed original.
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