To iso or not to iso?

[DaSilva 11]

Hello,

 

I'm about to rip my entire Blu-Ray collection to my media server but since my collection is quite big I want to to right from the first time

My goal is to have the main movie in full quality with the HD audio track and one subtitle and chapters.

Initially I was thinking of muxing everything in a mkv container but since the growing native support for iso in MB3 I'm starting to doubt again.

What would u guys suggest, go for the mkv way or maybe wait a little for full native iso support and go for iso?

Atm I'm using MBC with MPC-HC to play my media files but in the future when MBT comes of age (and Chocolate arrives) I would make the switch.

Oh and also not to forget, resuming is important for me.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions!!

[Redshirt 1487]

Not!

[Luke 42078]

In this day and age I would not do iso. Accessibility is the new high end. If you care about streaming to different kinds of devices, you'll do mkv or mp4. And even if not, I'd still consider it anyway because even though you may not want it now, you can't predict what you'll want a year or two from now.

[ebr 16174]

Stay away from ISOs. 

[AxeMan 25]

What about 3D movies and ones like Salt that have 3 versions on a single bd? Wouldn't Iso be the only way to avoid major duplication?

 

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[gcw07 347]

What about 3D movies and ones like Salt that have 3 versions on a single bd? Wouldn't Iso be the only way to avoid major duplication?

 

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Assuming your only going to access that from something like MB Classic or Theater then that might work. It isn't going to work so well for things that have to transcode (such as Android, iOS, etc.)

[AxeMan 25]

Assuming your only going to access that from something like MB Classic or Theater then that might work. It isn't going to work so well for things that have to transcode (such as Android, iOS, etc.)

 

Ah gotcha. Still trying to figure out what to do in those cases. Don't have a 3d tv at the moment, so I keep the 2d versions. Hopefully the fad dies before I need a new TV.

[gcw07 347]

Ah gotcha. Still trying to figure out what to do in those cases. Don't have a 3d tv at the moment, so I keep the 2d versions. Hopefully the fad dies before I need a new TV.

Even with a 3D tv, you can still watch things in 2D. Hopefully eventually we will support multiple files of the same movie (a 3D version and 2D version for instance). It just isn't there yet.

[AxeMan 25]

Even with a 3D tv, you can still watch things in 2D. Hopefully eventually we will support multiple files of the same movie (a 3D version and 2D version for instance). It just isn't there yet.

Ya that I know, but if I do get a 3D tv, I may end up needing/wanting both versions, depending on what the family's desires are. Just trying to plan ahead.

 

Also its what I have been telling my friends to do if they don't want to have two versions of the same movie then ISO and be done.

 

 

Btw, mb3 beats the pants off anything else out there been a user from the mb2 days. Officially a supporter now. Centralized media anf metadata is GOLD!

[Redshirt 1487]

If you use MediaBrowser with mobile clients, your best bet is to convert your Bluray discs to MP4 H264 AAC

 

Android works best with MP4 H264 AAC Baseline Profile Level 3

I believe iOS works best with MP4 H264 AAC Baseline Profile level 4.1 @@darwindeeds can you please confirm?

[Redshirt 1487]

AxeMan FFMpeg is capable of transcoding a 3D movie as a 2D movie. Not sure when that functionality will make it into MB Server though.

[Tikuf 663]

What about 3D movies and ones like Salt that have 3 versions on a single bd? Wouldn't Iso be the only way to avoid major duplication?

 

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AxeMan FFMpeg is capable of transcoding a 3D movie as a 2D movie. Not sure when that functionality will make it into MB Server though.

 

 

As Red said I have the command lines written it is just a case of waiting until they hit the top of the list for implementation. There are a few things ahead of them atm.

[WarrenH 16]

I ISO all my music DVD's as it allows better access to individual song selection, etc. Other than that see no reason for ISO consideting the high quality regular ripping produces.

[Sparrowlogins 18]

Having done both, I am now moving to MKV for all of my media.  I used to think that using an .iso file would allow me to keep the extras etc., but actually thinking about it, I never really watch the extras and if I do, I can usually just plop in the disc or find it on YouTube.  For me, it also saves disc space, ( Typically about 10gb per disc as a rough guide - if not more sometimes)

 

I also had miner problems with .iso files.  Some of my discs as .iso files didn't always play nice.  they would load the menu and then go quiet with no movie play.  I used DVDFab and Anydvd HD originally to rip my files to .iso but they were not always ripped correctly.  Having now used Makemkv, I can play files every time, no hassle.

 

If you always watch the extras and have loads of space, then .iso files work but you may have the odd problem.  If you don't need the extras or want them ripped to separate folders within your collection as MKV files also, then use the MKV. 

MKV also seems to work better for Transcoding and playing via other devices such as Tablets etc.

 

I have also ripped items such as my copy of Aliens.  With Makemkv its easy enough to see both theatrical and directors cuts of films (Check running time with IMDB or Wikipedia etc.) and then rip them both, Just name them the correct names and they will be picked up as two separate films in the one folder for that film. (such as theatrical or extended edition, uncut edition, directors cut etc.)

 

For 3D, you can rip using DVDFab or one of the Xilisoft programs, which will give you the ability to have the full quality Audio/Video/3D rip as top/bottom-side by side or interlaced ( as you want) as an MK3D file.

 

Rip them to MK3D and when playing in MBT, use an external player (Such as Cyberlink PowerDVD or Arcsoft TMT5/6) .  You can search the forums for how to set up external players in both MBT and MBC .  With MBT you can leave the normal MKV files to play in MBT natively and just set the external player for 3D. 

 

I now play my MKV movies with full DTS master HD or Dolby True HD audio via MBT and 3D files with PowerDVD.  Hope this might help.  Good luck though, it takes time for the ripping.

[politby 88]

Unless I am completely mistaken the only way to get full BD frame packed 3D is to play from ISO using one of the commercial players. So I use ISO + TMT6 for 3D Blu-rays and MKV + MPC-HC for everything else.

 

MPC-HC also lets me use SVP.

 

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[darwindeeds 356]

Yes, you are correct but Baseline 3.0 should work fine as well.

 

 

• Encode video using H.264 compression

  • H.264 Baseline 3.0: All devices

  • H.264 Baseline 3.1: iPhone 3G and later, and iPod touch 2nd generation and later.

  • H.264 Main profile 3.1: iPad (all versions), Apple TV 2 and later, and iPhone 4 and later.

  • H.264 Main Profile 4.0: Apple TV 3 and later, iPad 2 and later, and iPhone 4S and later

  • H.264 High Profile 4.0: Apple TV 3 and later, iPad 2 and later, and iPhone 4S and later.

  • H.264 High Profile 4.1: iPad 2 and later and iPhone 4S and later.

• A frame rate of 10 fps is recommended for video streams under 200 kbps. For video streams under 300 kbps, a frame rate of 12 to 15 fps is recommended. For all other streams, a frame rate of 29.97 is recommended.

• Encode audio as either of the following:

  • HE-AAC or AAC-LC, stereo

  • MP3 (MPEG-1 Audio Layer 3), stereo

• Optionally include an AC-3 audio track for Apple TV (or AirPlay to an Apple TV) when used with a surround sound receiver or TV that supports AC-3 input.

• A minimum audio sample rate of 22.05 kHz and audio bit rate of 40 kbps is recommended in all cases, and higher sampling rates and bit rates are strongly encouraged when streaming over Wi-Fi.

 

Edited March 14, 2014 by darwindeeds

[ebr 16174]

Even if you want to keep the whole disc in its entirety, I would use a folder-rip over an ISO.  One less step for playback as it doesn't have to "mount" an artificial disk.  TMT, I believe still supports folder-based playback of BDs.  Not sure about other commercial players.

 

But, with our ability to pull chapters out and allow you direct access to them when you rip to a different container and the ability to support special features as well, I really see no advantage to ripping to ISO or folders anymore.

[WarrenH 16]

But then you'll need additional codecs?

 

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[ebr 16174]

But then you'll need additional codecs?

 

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Neither folder rips nor using a different container such as mkv should affect the codecs unless you also transcode at the same time.

[AxeMan 25]

great advice in here - gotta bookmark it for later!

[DaSilva 11]

Yep great answers for my problem, mkv it will be

Thanks a lot!

[Overseer 66]

Unless I am completely mistaken the only way to get full BD frame packed 3D is to play from ISO using one of the commercial players. So I use ISO + TMT6 for 3D Blu-rays and MKV + MPC-HC for everything else.

 

MPC-HC also lets me use SVP.

 

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Are you ripping the entire disk to ISO for 3D or just the movie?

 

I've ripped the 3D movie only to ISO using DVDFab to play using MBC/TMT6 (with TMT6 set as external player for ISO files), but every time I watch the ISO it just auto repeats at the end of the movie. Does that do that for you?

 

Thanks.