Server replace my own primary images

[ireme 11]

After installing the last 3.0.5167.42090 version of the server it does not respect the images that already I have but that replaces me by one of the TMDB.

My structure is all the movies in a directory and every movie with his primary image (f.ej Air Force One (1997).mkv   Air Force One (1997).jpg).

Is there any way that the server respects my own local images?

Regards

Edited February 24, 2014 by ireme

[Luke 42077]

I will test this. in the meantime just disable all of the image fetchers for movies and that should stop the downloading.

[Luke 42077]

I see the issue. it will be fixed in a day or two when we post the follow-up release resolving issues that people report with the beta.

[ireme 11]

Thank you Luke.

Meanwhile I have restored an image of disc with the previous version of the server.

[Luke 42077]

Thank you Luke.

Meanwhile I have restored an image of disc with the previous version of the server.

 

Try this. Set your update level to dev. Restart server, it will update to a new version containing the fix. Let me know if that resolves it. Then change your update level back to beta after it's all complete.

[ireme 11]

Fantastic Luke, now my own primary are showed.

But to sorrow that "Maximum number of backdrops" per movie is equal to 4, only I have 2 backdrops for every movie.

[Luke 42077]

Yea read the text on the settings page. One change made with this release is that the server is a lot more conservative with the way it downloads backdrops, because it's impossible to avoid downloading the same ones you already have. So going forward the server is only going to download backdrops when there are 0 prior existing ones. If you already have at least one backdrop for an item, the only way to get more is through the editing interface, by hand.

[ebr 16170]

That means if a movie is added when it only has one backdrop available at the providers, we'll never get more when they go up?  It seems like having more and varied art is more important than the odd case where one is duplicated. 

[ireme 11]

I'm sorry Lee, but there is a thing that I do not understand ... if I add a new movie, logically it has not yet metadata neither any backdrop.

Why the server only will download 2 backdrops instead of 4 possible available?

Edited February 24, 2014 by ireme

[ebr 16170]

Ebr, its not that easy unfortunately. Lets say you add a movie that only has one backdrop on tmdb. Then you refresh again from the edit page or by automatic updates. Now you get that same backdrop again in slot two, then later again in slot three and so on.

 

Was this happening before?  I thought we were keeping track of the origin of the backdrops and were able to not download the same one twice from the same provider.

[Danee 57]

Not 100% fool proof, but since most backdrop seem to be the same size (pixels) but due to compression are very different in file size a check on that will prevent most duplicates I imagine.

[ireme 11]

In my case Luke, server download only one or at most two backdrops from TMDB although there are 7 or 8 with the same resolution.

Could the server do a backdrop CRC check or size to check that was not duplicated?

Edited February 24, 2014 by ireme

[Ghostm 74]

I guess i will have to see it in practice, but i would rather take a duplicate the way it was before then never have it update if one exists.

 

Unless I am misunderstanding i asked about music a few weeks ago, so if its a new artist you add, and then they get big, it wont ever check to download new art/backdrops?

I really dont have time to go through this by hand and edit it or know when new art is added.

 

Unless I am missing something in all this, i liked how it was before. 

To be honest I thought the server was basically perfect how it was.

Edited February 24, 2014 by Ghostm

[Ghostm 74]

Thats because your comments conflict imo.

 

"You can have new art downloaded automatically, as previously mentioned, using the auto-update features." 

 

"So going forward the server is only going to download backdrops when there are 0 prior existing ones. If you already have at least one backdrop for an item, the only way to get more is through the editing interface, by hand."

 

This kind of conflicts with your previous sentence.

 

So it will download more artwork/backdrops yet if you have updates enabled? How does it handle images for fanart.tv? Will it also get artwork/backdrops from their if new ones are added? You built this server so it might not be as clear cut to me as what your doing. 
 

I also cant say i agree with the consensus, or who the consensus was ( i am guessing media center master users, or people who gathered their own artwork), I liked how it was before. 

Edited February 24, 2014 by Ghostm

[ireme 11]

Lee, I have refreshed several times the movie "The Nutcracker" and only download one backdrop to sorrow that there are 4 available ones with the same resolution. To weighing "Enable automatic updates from Themoviedb.org" is available.

There are stack problems but I don't understand the meaning
I attach the log server.

 

server-63528861970.log

[Ghostm 74]

Well yes, the 0 backdrop requirement still rings true. We can always add settings to allow the duplicates if it turns out to be a big deal.

 

I dont want to be difficult, but its just my opinion when ebr said 

 

"  It seems like having more and varied art is more important than the odd case where one is duplicated. "

 

I feel 100% the same way.

 

Thats how I feel, the server did an amazing job imo before, I just dont like the new method and liked how it was before, but if i am the odd person out here, I will have to deal with it. 

 

A setting that allows duplicates or how it was before would be perfect for me, but again if i am somehow on my own in this, I guess i will have to accept the changes. I just loved how if music/movies, got bigger over the months it would grab new backdrops automatically. And the odd duplicate did not bother me. So if i have music artists that are not well known or non popular and have limited artwork but 1 backdrop exists, it wont ever grab new artwork for that artist or movie as they get bigger...I just dont see how this is a desirable idea. I have to think those who dont use MCM, or collect their own artwork support this new feature. I am guessing alot of people dont even know this new handling exists unless they read the thread. 

Edited February 24, 2014 by Ghostm

[Ghostm 74]

"And that's what job creation can solve because as part of the process it could wipe existing backdrops and get them fresh"

This would work, but wont this take significantly more time recreating and wiping everything.

I think your going to be finding more questions about why its not getting new artwork anymore automatically. But I guess we will see.


Do people who ask know the solution is to not get additional artwork if a single one exists?

Edited February 24, 2014 by Ghostm

[ireme 11]

Yes, the movies from "D:\VIDEOTECA\La Huella del Crimen" has not TMDB ID because doesn't exist in TMDB and I put the metadata by hand. (Are shows and TMDB doesn't support it)

But do you see something in the log for the movie "The Nutcracker" that only fetch 1 backdrop when there are 4 available?

In the most of my movies fetch 2 backdrops

Edited February 24, 2014 by ireme

[ireme 11]

I had thought that the solution to backdrop issue could a scratch installation of the server (uninstall it, delete the directories and install it again) but the problem is that all the metadata that I have fill by hand will loose them.

As last question, is there any special directory in the server where remains the metadata filled by hand to be able to recover them later? or in another words, delete all remote backdrops and keeps the manual ones

I guess the answer will not.

Thanks for your paticience

Edited February 24, 2014 by ireme

[Luke 42077]

I guess i will have to see it in practice, but i would rather take a duplicate the way it was before then never have it update if one exists.

 

Unless I am misunderstanding i asked about music a few weeks ago, so if its a new artist you add, and then they get big, it wont ever check to download new art?

 

I really dont have time to go through this by hand and edit it or know when new art is added.

 

Unless I am missing something in all this, i liked how it was before. 

 

I thought my two posts #14 and #15 pretty much covered so I don't really see what you're questioning here. the consensus is people want us to leave their metadata alone, so now we scan it once and that's it. After that it's hands-off unless you use the editor. You can have new art downloaded automatically, as previously mentioned, using the auto-update features. And we're going to have job creation at some point where you can do things like, "refresh the imdb rating for all series once a month". or "replace all my movie posters every two weeks.". So I think we have all needs covered there with hands-off options, automatic options, and periodic automated options.

[Luke 42077]

Well that would be a bug if that's the case. But it could also be the min resolution setting and occasionally the language.

[Luke 42077]

Well yes, the 0 backdrop requirement still rings true. We can always add settings to allow the duplicates if it turns out to be a big deal.

[Luke 42077]

Ebr, its not that easy unfortunately. Lets say you add a movie that only has one backdrop on tmdb. Then you refresh again from the edit page or by automatic updates. Now you get that same backdrop again in slot two, then later again in slot three and so on.

[Luke 42077]

Lee, I have refreshed several times the movie "The Nutcracker" and only download one backdrop to sorrow that there are 4 available ones with the same resolution. To weighing "Enable automatic updates from Themoviedb.org" is available.

There are stack problems but I don't understand the meaning

I attach the log server.

 

server-63528861970.log

 

You have some movies in your library with invalid Tmdb Id's. I know Tmdb just removed a lot of stuff from their database recently so that could be the reason.

 

For example:

 

2014-02-24 18:07:36.2528 Debug - App: Running MovieDbImageProvider for D:\VIDEOTECA\La Huella del Crimen\La huella del crimen Jarabo (1985).avi

2014-02-24 18:07:36.2528 Debug - App: Running MovieDbImageProvider for D:\VIDEOTECA\La Huella del Crimen\La huella del crimen 2 El crimen del expreso de Andalucía (1991).avi

 

http://www.themoviedb.org/movie/225592

 

It's possible the server filled in this Id some time ago but in any case it's no longer valid and requires some manual correction. The editing interface currently does not do a great job of alerting you to this information. Giving you a way to see unidentified items is something i also plan to do soon.

[ireme 11]

Lee, I can confirm you that only 1 or 2 backdrops are downloaded for news movies.

 

For trial I did an image disk with the prior server.

 

I uninstalled the server code,

deleted the full roaming server,

installed again the server code,

installed the plugins and fetch priority for TMDB,

configured for 4 backdrops.

 

And after this, only are downloaded 1 or 2. (In any movie with 2, the backdrop is duplicate!!)

(I checked the resolution for the not downloaded online backdrops and has 1280 or more)

 

I return again to prior server version until issue fix it.

Edited February 25, 2014 by ireme