Question about max bitrate

[NomadCF 15]

If i'm logged into emby as and Admin and try to edit a users Pref (like Max streaming bitrate). It changes the admin account and not the users.

[Luke 42080]

Hi, max streaming bitrate is a per app setting. It is not saved individually per user.

[Luke 42080]

Going forward, when you use this feature we will just hide the fields that are not per user and I think that will clear up any confusion here. Thanks !

[NomadCF 15]

Hi, max streaming bitrate is a per app setting. It is not saved individually per user.

That's quite useless then. Why is it we cann't setup a per user max ? The setting is right there why not just save it as a gobal/override/limit for that user. It's a setting that needs to configured or else emby can give a user some really horrible shuttering and buffering. As emby's auto bitrate can it horrible at finding the upper limts of a users connection.

[Luke 42080]

Because the setting is per device not per user. If you set a max bitrate in one app and it gets carried over to another app, the value may not be appropriate.

[NomadCF 15]

Sure it can, say user "Bob" only has a 10Mb connection. I would want to force all of Bob's MAX rates to say 5Mb reguadless of the device.

 

Now say Bob jumps on his 4G LTE and starts to stream from there. Now Bob's 4G can can do 30Mb. But to help protect Bob from himself. That 5 Mb max setting will keep him a reasonable bit rate. Where as the auto bit rate might just try to jump up to that 30Mb limit.

 

Sure Bob could find that setting in his own and change it . But since Bob's a user.... He never will.

 

So again an admin tunable per user Max bitrate not only makes sense. It beneficial to everyone, the end users and the admin watching how much "pipe" each user is allowed to utilize.

[mastrmind11 722]

Sure it can, say user "Bob" only has a 10Mb connection. I would want to force all of Bob's MAX rates to say 5Mb reguadless of the device.

 

Now say Bob jumps on his 4G LTE and starts to stream from there. Now Bob's 4G can can do 30Mb. But to help protect Bob from himself. That 5 Mb max setting will keep him a reasonable bit rate. Where as the auto bit rate might just try to jump up to that 30Mb limit.

 

Sure Bob could find that setting in his own and change it . But since Bob's a user.... He never will.

 

So again an admin tunable per user Max bitrate not only makes sense. It beneficial to everyone, the end users and the admin watching how much "pipe" each user is allowed to utilize.

https://emby.media/community/index.php?/topic/31207-max-streaming-rate-per-user/

[ebr 16185]

Sure it can, say user "Bob" only has a 10Mb connection. I would want to force all of Bob's MAX rates to say 5Mb reguadless of the device.

 

But "Bob" could theoretically be logged in from almost any location in the world.  How do you know he always has a 10Mb connection?

 

Conversely, you can know that a particular device in a particular location has a particular connection (not always but more often).

 

This is why it is a device setting now.  It may expand in the future.

 

Also, there is a max outbound off-network setting you can set on the server to limit all off-network streaming to a particular max: Playback->Streaming->Internet Streaming Bitrate Limit.

 

This may help in your situation.

[NomadCF 15]

But "Bob" could theoretically be logged in from almost any location in the world.  How do you know he always has a 10Mb connection?

 

Conversely, you can know that a particular device in a particular location has a particular connection (not always but more often).

 

This is why it is a device setting now.  It may expand in the future.

 

Also, there is a max outbound off-network setting you can set on the server to limit all off-network streaming to a particular max: Playback->Streaming->Internet Streaming Bitrate Limit.

 

This may help in your situation.

 

You don't, but It would be make/set the "Absolute" MAX to 5Mb, Nothing is saying the "auto" adjusting bit-rate can't go lower. But it would stop it from going higher than the MAX.

 

 

And the "Playback->Streaming->Internet Streaming Bitrate Limit" is a Joke. For starters it has no real documentation to says whether this is a Total Limit meaning if you set to 100Mb than 4 people streaming would each be "capped" to 25 Mb. Or if it's a Per User Limt meaning each user is "capped" at 100Mb. And it's just as easy to argue that "  "Bob" could theoretically be logged in from almost any location in the world " so if I where to set "Internet Streaming Bitrate Limit" to 5Mb in order to fix Bob's issue. Then it would cap every one at 5Mb (or worse put every one in a total pool with only 5Mb). Meaning anyone who isn't not Bob couldn't get better than 5Mb. 

[legallink 187]

You don't, but It would be make/set the "Absolute" MAX to 5Mb, Nothing is saying the "auto" adjusting bit-rate can't go lower. But it would stop it from going higher than the MAX.

 

 

And the "Playback->Streaming->Internet Streaming Bitrate Limit" is a Joke. For starters it has no real documentation to says whether this is a Total Limit meaning if you set to 100Mb than 4 people streaming would each be "capped" to 25 Mb. Or if it's a Per User Limt meaning each user is "capped" at 100Mb. And it's just as easy to argue that "  "Bob" could theoretically be logged in from almost any location in the world " so if I where to set "Internet Streaming Bitrate Limit" to 5Mb in order to fix Bob's issue. Then it would cap every one at 5Mb (or worse put every one in a total pool with only 5Mb). Meaning anyone who isn't not Bob couldn't get better than 5Mb. 

@@NomadCF

 

I think that's a little harsh.  I'm pretty sure it has been well documented/discussed that the streaming limit is a per user basis and not for the whole system.  But I can always be wrong on this point.

 

That being said, I think I agree though that it would better if the auto was better at determining available bandwidth, and you could cap streaming on a per user as opposed to per device basis, even though there is an overall.

 

I know from my experience, I set a streaming limit with the user (and then have to follow up with them on a per app basis, which I agree is annoying), because Emby does much better at trying to hit the limit set in that instance than it does with the auto setting at trying to determine the available bandwidth.  In auto, it always seems to come to a much lower number than is available, whereas when there is a user bandwidth set, even though it's supposed to be capped at available anyways, it seems to try and hit the max available as opposed to whatever auto would have returned (which is something I don't really understand as to why the bitrate stream is so different in the instances, but so goes it).

 

Even in my home lan setting, if I leave it at auto, sometimes things will transcode while being on a wired 1gbps connection because of "limited bandwidth" but if I set it to a max connection of 60mbps, there are no problems.