donquibrote 1 Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 Hello, I'm new to Emby. I have a computer at home running Lubuntu, which I use as a server. When I am on the same wifi as this computer and streaming movies from Emby (iPhone app, iPad app, and playing via IE over my Xbox) I have no problem streaming. However, when I try to connect from a different wifi network with my iPhone or via any web browser, the streaming slows to a stop. How can I fix this? Thank you for your time.
Luke 42077 Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 Hi, welcome. Can you provide the emby server and transcoding logs? http://emby.media/community/index.php?/topic/739-how-to-report-a-problem/ Thanks!
donquibrote 1 Posted July 1, 2016 Author Posted July 1, 2016 (edited) Thank you for your reply. I'm unaware of how to download the log file, so please excuse the length of this post. I believe this is the log from the last time I attempted to watch a movie from a remote wifi connection. [quote]http://10.0.0.15:8096/emby/videos/4c0609a86fedd85552b2c22141ee061f/stream.mp4?DeviceId=edc22bce0b016708ad92e4b08b7d1b06&MediaSourceId=4c0609a86fedd85552b2c22141ee061f&VideoCodec=h264&AudioCodec=aac&AudioStreamIndex=1&VideoBitrate=451444706&AudioBitrate=320000&MaxAudioChannels=6&StartTimeTicks=7818869555&Level=41&Profile=high&PlaySessionId=cd663ebe7a9f4f79bec10c5dbf4dc2f3&api_key=826dc36ba9204096a78ae0fb64b65c19&CopyTimestamps=false&ForceLiveStream=false{"Protocol":"File","Id":"4c0609a86fedd85552b2c22141ee061f","Path":"/media/seconddrive/Movies/Batman The Dark Knight Rises (1080p x265 Joy).m4v","Type":"Default","Container":"m4v","Name":"1080P/HEVC/AAC","RunTimeTicks":98739200000,"ReadAtNativeFramerate":false,"SupportsTranscoding":true,"SupportsDirectStream":true,"SupportsDirectPlay":true,"RequiresOpening":false,"RequiresClosing":false,"VideoType":"VideoFile","MediaStreams":[{"Codec":"hevc","CodecTag":"hev1","Language":"und","IsInterlaced":false,"BitRate":1500773,"RefFrames":1,"IsDefault":true,"IsForced":false,"Height":800,"Width":1920,"AverageFrameRate":23.97602,"RealFrameRate":23.97602,"Profile":"Main","Type":"Video","AspectRatio":"2.40:1","Index":0,"IsExternal":false,"IsTextSubtitleStream":false,"SupportsExternalStream":false,"PixelFormat":"yuv420p","Level":120,"IsAnamorphic":false},{"Codec":"aac","CodecTag":"mp4a","Language":"eng","DisplayTitle":"Eng AAC 5.1 (D)","IsInterlaced":false,"ChannelLayout":"5.1","BitRate":256000,"Channels":6,"SampleRate":48000,"IsDefault":true,"IsForced":false,"Profile":"HE-AAC","Type":"Audio","Index":1,"IsExternal":false,"IsTextSubtitleStream":false,"SupportsExternalStream":false,"Level":0}],"PlayableStreamFileNames":[],"Formats":[],"Bitrate":1762487,"RequiredHttpHeaders":{}}/var/lib/emby-server/ffmpeg/20160215/ffmpeg -ss 00:13:01.886 -fflags +genpts -i file:"/media/seconddrive/Movies/Batman The Dark Knight Rises (1080p x265 Joy).m4v" -map 0:0 -map 0:1 -map -0:s -codec:v:0 libx264 -force_key_frames expr:gte(t,n_forced*5) -vf "scale=trunc(min(max(iw\,ih*dar)\,1280)/2)*2:trunc(ow/dar/2)*2" -pix_fmt yuv420p -preset superfast -crf 23 -b:v 1500773 -maxrate 1500773 -bufsize 3001546 -vsync vfr -profile:v high -level 41 -map_metadata -1 -threads 0 -codec:a:0 copy -f mp4 -movflags frag_keyframe+empty_moov -y "/var/lib/emby-server/transcoding-temp/6c63c66f129467842ca5aede7e8e07bd.mp4"[quote]ffmpeg version N-52954-g295de3e-static http://johnvansickle.com/ffmpeg/ Copyright (c) 2000-2016 the FFmpeg developers built with gcc 5.3.1 (Debian 5.3.1-8) 20160205 configuration: --enable-gpl --enable-version3 --disable-shared --disable-debug --enable-runtime-cpudetect --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libx264 --enable-libx265 --enable-libwebp --enable-libspeex --enable-libvorbis --enable-libvpx --enable-libfreetype --enable-fontconfig --enable-libxvid --enable-libopencore-amrnb --enable-libopencore-amrwb --enable-libtheora --enable-libvo-amrwbenc --enable-gray --enable-libopenjpeg --enable-libopus --enable-libass --enable-gnutls --enable-libvidstab --enable-libsoxr --enable-frei0r --enable-libfribidi --disable-indev=sndio --disable-outdev=sndio --enable-librtmp --enable-libmfx --cc=gcc libavutil 55. 17.103 / 55. 17.103 libavcodec 57. 24.102 / 57. 24.102 libavformat 57. 25.100 / 57. 25.100 libavdevice 57. 0.101 / 57. 0.101 libavfilter 6. 31.100 / 6. 31.100 libswscale 4. 0.100 / 4. 0.100 libswresample 2. 0.101 / 2. 0.101 libpostproc 54. 0.100 / 54. 0.100[aac @ 0x4376d40] element type mismatch 3 != 0Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from 'file:/media/seconddrive/Movies/Batman The Dark Knight Rises (1080p x265 Joy).m4v': Metadata: major_brand : mp42 minor_version : 512 compatible_brands: isomiso2mp41 encoder : HandBrake 0.10.0 2014112200 Duration: 02:44:33.92, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 1762 kb/s Chapter #0:0: start 0.000000, end 552.991000 Metadata: title : Chapter 1 Chapter #0:1: start 552.991000, end 1151.381000 Metadata: title : Chapter 2 Chapter #0:2: start 1151.381000, end 1823.761000 Metadata: title : Chapter 3 Chapter #0:3: start 1823.761000, end 2474.953000 Metadata: title : Chapter 4 Chapter #0:4: start 2474.953000, end 3072.216000 Metadata: title : Chapter 5 Chapter #0:5: start 3072.216000, end 3635.821000 Metadata: title : Chapter 6 Chapter #0:6: start 3635.821000, end 4211.813000 Metadata: title : Chapter 7 Chapter #0:7: start 4211.813000, end 4816.667000 Metadata: title : Chapter 8 Chapter #0:8: start 4816.667000, end 5464.481000 Metadata: title : Chapter 9 Chapter #0:9: start 5464.481000, end 5968.401000 Metadata: title : Chapter 10 Chapter #0:10: start 5968.401000, end 6543.642000 Metadata: title : Chapter 11 Chapter #0:11: start 6543.642000, end 7231.663000 Metadata: title : Chapter 12 Chapter #0:12: start 7231.663000, end 7852.075000 Metadata: title : Chapter 13 Chapter #0:13: start 7852.075000, end 8362.459000 Metadata: title : Chapter 14 Chapter #0:14: start 8362.459000, end 9014.819000 Metadata: title : Chapter 15 Chapter #0:15: start 9014.819000, end 9410.715000 Metadata: title : Chapter 16 Chapter #0:16: start 9410.715000, end 9872.927000 Metadata: title : Chapter 17 Stream #0:0(und): Video: hevc (Main) (hev1 / 0x31766568), yuv420p(tv, bt709), 1920x800, 1500 kb/s, 23.98 fps, 23.98 tbr, 90k tbn, 23.98 tbc (default) Metadata: handler_name : VideoHandler Stream #0:1(eng): Audio: aac (HE-AAC) (mp4a / 0x6134706D), 48000 Hz, 5.1, fltp, 256 kb/s (default) Metadata: handler_name : Surround Stream #0:2(dan): Subtitle: mov_text (tx3g / 0x67337874), 1920x60, 0 kb/s Metadata: handler_name : SubtitleHandler Stream #0:3(fra): Subtitle: mov_text (tx3g / 0x67337874), 1920x60, 0 kb/s Metadata: handler_name : SubtitleHandler Stream #0:4(deu): Subtitle: mov_text (tx3g / 0x67337874), 1920x60, 0 kb/s Metadata: handler_name : SubtitleHandler Stream #0:5(ita): Subtitle: mov_text (tx3g / 0x67337874), 1920x60, 0 kb/s Metadata: handler_name : SubtitleHandler Stream #0:6(vie): Subtitle: mov_text (tx3g / 0x67337874), 1920x60, 0 kb/s Metadata: handler_name : SubtitleHandler Stream #0:7(eng): Subtitle: mov_text (text / 0x74786574) Metadata: handler_name : SubtitleHandler[libx264 @ 0x4383f60] using cpu capabilities: MMX2 SSE2Fast SSSE3 SSE4.2[libx264 @ 0x4383f60] profile High, level 4.1[libx264 @ 0x4383f60] 264 - core 148 r236 a01e339 - H.264/MPEG-4 AVC codec - Copyleft 2003-2016 - http://www.videolan.org/x264.html - options: cabac=1 ref=1 deblock=1:0:0 analyse=0x3:0x3 me=dia subme=1 psy=1 psy_rd=1.00:0.00 mixed_ref=0 me_range=16 chroma_me=1 trellis=0 8x8dct=1 cqm=0 deadzone=21,11 fast_pskip=1 chroma_qp_offset=0 threads=6 lookahead_threads=1 sliced_threads=0 nr=0 decimate=1 interlaced=0 bluray_compat=0 constrained_intra=0 bframes=3 b_pyramid=2 b_adapt=1 b_bias=0 direct=1 weightb=1 open_gop=0 weightp=1 keyint=250 keyint_min=23 scenecut=40 intra_refresh=0 rc_lookahead=0 rc=crf mbtree=0 crf=23.0 qcomp=0.60 qpmin=0 qpmax=69 qpstep=4 vbv_maxrate=1500 vbv_bufsize=3001 crf_max=0.0 nal_hrd=none filler=0 ip_ratio=1.40 pb_ratio=1.30 aq=1:1.00Output #0, mp4, to '/var/lib/emby-server/transcoding-temp/6c63c66f129467842ca5aede7e8e07bd.mp4': Metadata: encoder : Lavf57.25.100 Chapter #0:0: start 0.000000, end 369.495000 Chapter #0:1: start 369.495000, end 1041.875000 Chapter #0:2: start 1041.875000, end 1693.067000 Chapter #0:3: start 1693.067000, end 2290.330000 Chapter #0:4: start 2290.330000, end 2853.935000 Chapter #0:5: start 2853.935000, end 3429.927000 Chapter #0:6: start 3429.927000, end 4034.781000 Chapter #0:7: start 4034.781000, end 4682.595000 Chapter #0:8: start 4682.595000, end 5186.515000 Chapter #0:9: start 5186.515000, end 5761.756000 Chapter #0:10: start 5761.756000, end 6449.777000 Chapter #0:11: start 6449.777000, end 7070.189000 Chapter #0:12: start 7070.189000, end 7580.573000 Chapter #0:13: start 7580.573000, end 8232.933000 Chapter #0:14: start 8232.933000, end 8628.829000 Chapter #0:15: start 8628.829000, end 9091.041000 Stream #0:0: Video: h264 (libx264) ([33][0][0][0] / 0x0021), yuv420p, 1280x532, q=-1--1, 1500 kb/s, 23.98 fps, 24k tbn, 23.98 tbc (default) Metadata: encoder : Lavc57.24.102 libx264 Side data: unknown side data type 10 (24 bytes) Stream #0:1: Audio: aac (HE-AAC) ([64][0][0][0] / 0x0040), 48000 Hz, 5.1, 256 kb/s (default)Stream mapping: Stream #0:0 -> #0:0 (hevc (native) -> h264 (libx264)) Stream #0:1 -> #0:1 (copy)Press [q] to stop, [?] for helpframe= 0 fps=0.0 q=0.0 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inter:34.0%[libx264 @ 0x4383f60] coded y,uvDC,uvAC intra: 38.1% 35.0% 24.3% inter: 5.3% 5.9% 0.2%[libx264 @ 0x4383f60] i16 v,h,dc,p: 72% 13% 13% 2%[libx264 @ 0x4383f60] i8 v,h,dc,ddl,ddr,vr,hd,vl,hu: 25% 13% 29% 5% 6% 6% 5% 5% 5%[libx264 @ 0x4383f60] i4 v,h,dc,ddl,ddr,vr,hd,vl,hu: 30% 17% 13% 7% 6% 7% 6% 6% 7%[libx264 @ 0x4383f60] i8c dc,h,v,p: 68% 12% 16% 4%[libx264 @ 0x4383f60] Weighted P-Frames: Y:0.2% UV:0.0% Edited July 1, 2016 by donquibrote
donquibrote 1 Posted July 1, 2016 Author Posted July 1, 2016 In an attempt to be thorough, I tried to connect via a wired connection from google chrome on a system running Windows 8, and from a laptop, also running Windows, and connected to a third connection via wifi. Both had very slow loading speed, and I only had moderate streaming success on the wifi connected laptop after letting it buffer for a considerable amount of time. Even then, I was not able to watch the movie without interruption Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Luke 42077 Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 Then perhaps the bitrate is too aggressive. You can lower the bitrate setting within the app's playback settings. By lowering that it will reduce the amount of data going over the wire, albeit at the cost of more work for your server.
donquibrote 1 Posted July 1, 2016 Author Posted July 1, 2016 Thank you for your follow up. What bitrate would you recommend? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
JeremyFr79 228 Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 Thank you for your follow up. What bitrate would you recommend? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk that's going to be dependent on what your upload speed is through your internet connection.
donquibrote 1 Posted July 1, 2016 Author Posted July 1, 2016 The upload speed for the connection to my server is 1 mb/s Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Luke 42077 Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 Try setting the in-app bitrate setting to something lower than 1mbps or auto. by default, auto will perform bandwidth tests to try and measure the ideal amount. it looks like that might have been customized because the bitrate being requested in the log you posted is well beyond 1mbps.
JeremyFr79 228 Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 The upload speed for the connection to my server is 1 mb/s Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk To be downright honest 1Mbps is pretty much useless for streaming of video. Once you take overhead out you're at like 750-900Kbps, and that's only if nothing else is uploading at the same time. At the very least I would never recommend less than 5Mbps upload or higher if you're wanting to stream out of your house to other users/yourself.
donquibrote 1 Posted July 1, 2016 Author Posted July 1, 2016 I see. Adjusting the bitrate did not work. I will look into getting faster upload speed. Thank you both for your help Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Luke 42077 Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 You should be able to use a bitrate underneath 1mbps. I think we have some choices around 500k.
JeremyFr79 228 Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 You should be able to use a bitrate underneath 1mbps. I think we have some choices around 500k. but the greater question is "why would you want to?" lol
donquibrote 1 Posted July 1, 2016 Author Posted July 1, 2016 I did some googling and the general consensus is that a server for remote streaming should have an upload speed of at least a 5mb/s for quality and reliable streaming. There are other actions I perform that will benefit from an upgrade, so it's not prohibitive for me to do so. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1
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