b0dyr0ck2006 57 Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 It isn't falling anywhere. It is just getting started. Building quality apps for a system like Emby simply isn't done in a weekend. With the upmost respect EBR you seem to regularly make little snippy comments that never actually produce any helpfulness to a thread. I'm fully aware of the emby mantra 'so few devs, done in personal time' etc etc. 'It's coming' is another popular one. Forums are for discussion, passing of information between each other and helping each other out. Such as the previous post to yours. Time and time again issues or questions get posted and ignored, and then you jump on the defensive the moment someone barely dares to mention anything bad about the software. Anyway I'm digressing, back on topic. There is already an iOS app, which is in effect a port of the web version. As I have gathered from reading various other threads on different forums the actual porting from iOS to tvos isn't overly difficult. Most prebuilt apps can be transferred in a day. Or perhaps you are looking to overly complicate things again and produce another branch of the software and move it yet again away from a unified media centre? I would have thought it would have made much more sense to have all these various branches all to be one and the same but ported for each medium and as such make it one whole unified and uniform system. But what do I know? I'm just a lowly user who thought that perhaps a little user input would help.
mellomade 141 Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 Seems the tvos app is falling by the wayside. The Apple TV is being populated on a daily basis with new 'server streaming' clients that all work wonderfully. The longer this takes to be ported over the more potential customers you will lose. It's a shame as you have built up an amazing product but the delays in the various branches are actually creating your own rod for your backs With the upmost respect EBR you seem to regularly make little snippy comments that never actually produce any helpfulness to a thread. I'm fully aware of the emby mantra 'so few devs, done in personal time' etc etc. 'It's coming' is another popular one. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. ATV4 has been out for less than 2 months. A little premature to call something dead before it has a chance to develop - and it sure doesn't help to have to listen to drivel from impatient trolls.
b0dyr0ck2006 57 Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. ATV4 has been out for less than 2 months. A little premature to call something dead before it has a chance to develop - and it sure doesn't help to have to listen to drivel from impatient trolls. Right firstly I'm not trolling, if I was I would do a much better job. I'm far from impatient, I couldn't give a monkeys if emby gets ported over or not. It would make for a more fluid experience between systems but ultimately my life doesn't revolve around emby, it provides a working system to achieve a pleasurable goal. If, tomorrow, it's gone, it would be easily replaced with one of the many other variants out there. Again you are making me move off topic with your flippant insults.... Secondly, I was suggesting that being behind the competition was not the greatest business model and would ultimately loose customers. And let's be honest, emby is moving more and more towards a fully pay for system. With that in mind, if you are charging customers to use the software then you have to have a reasonable support network.
Latchmor 584 Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 With the upmost respect EBR... I've seen better attempts at utmost respect
ebr 16169 Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 Not trying to defend, just explain and I have to deal with so many messages in the course of a day that sometimes they do come out short. Apologize for that. You are right - being behind the competition is never a good place to be but it is what it is and we strive to put out quality apps instead of just shove something in with a shoe-horn. Also this is a brand-new platform and we want to take full advantage of it so it will take us some time. If we were to move to a fully-pay model we would have a lot more resources available to us but that definitely isn't the case (I know it probably looks like it but, trust me, a VERY large majority of active Emby users are doing so completely for free). Also, just having more money doesn't equal better, faster software production so even that wouldn't be a swift fix (pun intended ). As you said - we digress - so continue on with useful exchange . 4
mgworek 134 Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 I for one am glad that the team isn't rushing to get the app out there. Just because they can doesn't mean they should. Let them take their time and get the app right. "being behind the competition was not the greatest business model" Behind the competition? You mean being behind half baked apps on every platform that do not work correctly and missing major functions? I am glad Emby is taking the slower approach and getting the apps right. There was a reason I switched to Emby and couldn't be happier with it. Take your time with the app and can't wait to see it when its ready! 1
venom986 2 Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 There was a team looking at this before I opened my mouth. They've been hard at work in their free time. My perspective, base on what I've seen while trying to get up to speed is that there is nothing but truth behind statements about there being a small team of developers and a lot of users wanting clients in a myriad of platforms. There is an iOS app, but I suspect it began development long before the current set of frameworks that Apple has introduced in recent iOS and tvOS releases. That has meant tvOS is starting from the ground up, and is going so with a mind towards universality on the apple ecosystem. I'm as impatient as the rest of you to uninstall Plex and stop manually syncing up watched status between it and emby. I'm trying to do as much as I can with my limited knowledge of the server and api to hasten it along, just like the rest of the tvOS developers are. The fact that api and front end are under parallel development should mean exponential growth as the team moves forward. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2
mgworek 134 Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 I'm as impatient as the rest of you to uninstall Plex and stop manually syncing up watched status between it and emby. When I was switching between the two, I used trakt plugins on both of them which kept the watched status up to date on both no matter which one I used.
breezytm 124 Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 When I was switching between the two, I used trakt plugins on both of them which kept the watched status up to date on both no matter which one I used. Same here. Even when i used kodi. all synced
venom986 2 Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 Good to know!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Damstas 9 Posted December 20, 2015 Posted December 20, 2015 Will the upcoming Apple TV app have LiveTV interface, similar to what we get with Android TV/fTV?
Luke 42077 Posted December 20, 2015 Posted December 20, 2015 You can assume that any app we build on any platform will support Emby features unless there is some extenuating circumstance preventing it.
jkanoy 6 Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 Just a really rough estimate, how far out is the Apple TV app looking before we can beta it? I fully understand these timelines can change. I'm just excited for it.
jkanoy 6 Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 Does anyone know if the tvOS app will support TV & Movie Theme Backgrounds? It would be a really nice touch if it could. Nudge... Just curious if movie and tv theme backgrounds will be supported on Apple TV since it doesn't appear to be supported in the iOS app. It sure would add some nice wow factor in comparison to the competitors such as plex. 1
ebr 16169 Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 We cannot give any reliable release estimates at this point. Sorry. Just pretend it is like every other Apple product and you don't even know it is coming until a week before it is available .
b0dyr0ck2006 57 Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 Not trying to defend, just explain and I have to deal with so many messages in the course of a day that sometimes they do come out short. Apologize for that. You are right - being behind the competition is never a good place to be but it is what it is and we strive to put out quality apps instead of just shove something in with a shoe-horn. Also this is a brand-new platform and we want to take full advantage of it so it will take us some time. If we were to move to a fully-pay model we would have a lot more resources available to us but that definitely isn't the case (I know it probably looks like it but, trust me, a VERY large majority of active Emby users are doing so completely for free). Also, just having more money doesn't equal better, faster software production so even that wouldn't be a swift fix (pun intended ). As you said - we digress - so continue on with useful exchange . There was a team looking at this before I opened my mouth. They've been hard at work in their free time. My perspective, base on what I've seen while trying to get up to speed is that there is nothing but truth behind statements about there being a small team of developers and a lot of users wanting clients in a myriad of platforms. There is an iOS app, but I suspect it began development long before the current set of frameworks that Apple has introduced in recent iOS and tvOS releases. That has meant tvOS is starting from the ground up, and is going so with a mind towards universality on the apple ecosystem. I'm as impatient as the rest of you to uninstall Plex and stop manually syncing up watched status between it and emby. I'm trying to do as much as I can with my limited knowledge of the server and api to hasten it along, just like the rest of the tvOS developers are. The fact that api and front end are under parallel development should mean exponential growth as the team moves forward. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk You can assume that any app we build on any platform will support Emby features unless there is some extenuating circumstance preventing it. These sorts of replies is the sort of information we are looking for. Keeps the users updated, lets us know what is going on and is generally informative and productive to the forum. the other keyboard warriors need to step off their horses once in a while. Anyway, happy new year to you all and here is looking forward to some amazing things coming out of the Emby cupboard this year!!
virtualtinker 8 Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 Nudge... Just curious if movie and tv theme backgrounds will be supported on Apple TV since it doesn't appear to be supported in the iOS app. It sure would add some nice wow factor in comparison to the competitors such as plex. I asked for something similar in a feature request for the Android/Fire TV before the new Apple TV was announced, and I got only one reply from another end user else expressing interest. No comments from any developers chiming in on their thoughts. I'll go ahead and bump it and make an additional note about Apple TV, in case maybe it just didn't get a lot of views before getting pushed down the list. I personally think it makes a lot of sense to have the TV specific clients adopt using the theme videos as like you said, it would better make the client apps stand apart from the rest. I would encourage you to like the post as that's how the developers gauge interest when prioritizing new features. 1
Luke 42077 Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 You can assume we will support it if the platform allows for it.
jkanoy 6 Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 You can assume we will support it if the platform allows for it. Main reason I ask is that I don't get the movie theme backgrounds on my iPad currently, so I wasn't sure if that was something that was planned but just not released yet. Or is that something iOS/tvOS won't support?
Luke 42077 Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 ioS can definitely do it but I just haven't added it yet because I don't think most people are going to want videos starting automatically on mobile devices
jkanoy 6 Posted January 8, 2016 Posted January 8, 2016 ioS can definitely do it but I just haven't added it yet because I don't think most people are going to want videos starting automatically on mobile devices That makes complete sense for the mobile device. I was trying to hint around a little more toward Apple TV because that would look really cool on the big screen.
greatwitenorth 1 Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) Just had a look at the tvos github repo. Looks like things are underway. I was just wondering, is there any reason not to just pursue the TVJS/TVML route? From my limited understanding it'd essentially allow you to use your already existing Javascript libraries to pull in content. Using TVML you'd just populate the template with items fetched from the server. I'd imagine plex for tvos is probably doing something similar. This means you'd need only limited swift/objective-c knowledge. Like I said my understanding is pretty limited at this point, but just thought I'd throw the idea out there. Edited January 11, 2016 by greatwitenorth 1
ebr 16169 Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 I have just started getting involved in this and, yes, we are definitely looking at that approach. 1
overClocked! 65 Posted January 13, 2016 Posted January 13, 2016 I have just started getting involved in this and, yes, we are definitely looking at that approach. Very cool. I bought my mother an AppleTV 4 for Christmas. We've been using the new Emby iOS App on her iPad 2 to AirPlay to the AppleTV without any issues. But she keeps trying to use Siri to search for Emby content and I keep explaining to her that it's not actually installed on her AppleTV yet. Here's hoping that will be available soon. And hopefully the AppleTV app can take advantage of the Siri voice interaction feature as a nice little bonus. Take your time on it, guys. We see how refined and polished the iOS app was right out of the gate because it was not rushed. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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