Brendon 119 Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) I'm with Danee, i went for WHS 2011 as it was half the price of a win7 OS at the time (even for us dealers at cost, which is about 8 bucks below retail lol), it's convenient, fast, doesnt need intense hardware and so very easy to setup right through from install to setting backups, and i have never needed to touch it except to add more drives and MB3, it's just flawless for what i want it to do, until now. Edited January 20, 2014 by Brendon
chopperno5 0 Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 I'm on 2011, after deliberating hard recently on a server rebuild. It's cheap, can easily be run on low to mid range hardware, does all I need it to with the addition of drive bender, ihomeserver and dvblink. I can keep throwing hard drives at it without it breaking, and it automatically archives recorded tv. I couldn't justify paying for another win8.1 license just so that I could have a quick boot time on something that's primarily on 24/7, as that was the only thing that might have appealed until this point. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Spaceboy 2573 Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 cost me £35 for my win 8 licence with the media center add on
chopperno5 0 Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 £35 inc media center was precisely what I paid for my two other win8 installs. Still think it was cheap at that price, just didn't see it being better than what I was already using as a server OS. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Spaceboy 2573 Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 its incredibly cheap, i'm kicking myself i didn't buy more! just had to buy a new licence for my new NUC and couldn't justify stretching to pro or including the media center add on so i had to rejig two other licences, which was a pain. i guess the point i was trying to make was i don't see whs as having any additional functionality over win8 and win 8 is far more flexible / compatible. if someone was starting afresh i'd be amazed if anyone recommended whs
chopperno5 0 Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 Do agree - if I hadn't have had the whs2011 license I would have had no problem at all getting another win8pro, especially at that price. I feel your pain too! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
politby 88 Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 I am running MBS and dvblink on 2012 Essentials R2. Rock solid and I love being able to run a domain. Makes keeping the PCs in the house under control a breeze. Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 1
christoph86 12 Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 Just want to say, I got this up and running today and it has worked fantastic on Chrome. I haven't had a chance to try on mobile yet, but great work guys! 1
bluemonkey07 590 Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 Almost any solution will require another server when a WHS is used for MBS, NextPVR is linux based, WMC is tied into a client version. DVBLink is capable of running on server version, but unsupported (is running it on a client version supported you may ask) I was thinking of running a Virtual Machine using vmware player and run a WMC in it. That would however require tuners that can be used in a VM, either USB or networked tuners so not the way to go for everybody. For that purpose DVBLink is a good choice. What do you mean when you say nextpvr is linux based?
Danee 57 Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 What do you mean when you say nextpvr is linux based? Sorry, that's a mixup in my head, tvheadend is linux based nextpvr runs on windows.
AVTechMan 8 Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 I run Server 2012 Essentials because of not only of the domain where I can keep tab on all of my PC's, but for the client backup feature as well. Though 2012 is based on Windows 8, I still run Win7 exclusively on all of my PC's, and have no desire to upgrade any of them to 8. You'll be amazed on the number of businesses that still use Windows XP and 7. Why change something that reliably works? Plus I like the idea of running a real server OS, especially if I decide to get into networking at some point, this will give me plenty of practice. Anyway off topic a bit on that so I will continue to work on the ServerWMC app....I should get it working now.
LeftForPlex 8 Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) Works like a charm, and am able to watch tv without any issues. Since I do not want to open up the web interface to the world <Kids accounts are not password protected and don't want them to be>, I am running a ssh server at home, and am tunneling port 8096 and the Live TV port through the SSH connection. Works like a charm! Excellent job! Edited January 20, 2014 by Dravor
Luke 42077 Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Perhaps just old WHS2011 addicts who feel compelled to run server OS'es "because you can". I can't talk, my work PCs have always been Server OS'es but configured as desktop workstations - with various hacks/tweaks/etc applied to make them more like their desktop equivalent (Aero themes, windows media player, snipping tool, etc). Server 2008 R2 in the current case and Ill probably go to 2012 at some point soon... I dont know why, just like to be different! But admittedly in this work setting, where we already have domain/server infrastructure, Windows 7 and 8 really are quite comparable to the server OS as a workstation thing. Perhaps in the home case though, some of these guys are running server type features such as active directory domains, DNS server, centralised builtin windows backup for all connected clients etc. My personal direction based on my setup outlined above, would be that if I ever did want to run a domain or use server features, I would look at hosting a VM running Server 2012 on the Windows 8.1 tv server, rather than the other way round, simply because I already have the win 8.1 setup I guess. Welcome. Great to have you. I've added you to the dev group.
Deihmos 169 Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) I have much better luck streaming SD content outside my home network even I select the lowest quality. Would HD TV channels require more bandwidth ? Edit. Working now even at 720P. Maybe it is a hit or miss. Edited January 20, 2014 by Deihmos
ernstgot 17 Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 I think it has to do with how much movement there is. Sports seem to have troubles for me at anything above 480
Scot 27 Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Hi guys, I am the other developer who is working with krustyreturns on the ServerWMC backend so now that he has done the initial MB3 server support, I figure I should start becoming active over here as well. I suppose I should go and install MB3 myself now, lol. Anyway to clarify the recent questions/statements, ServerWMC needs to be installed on the same machine as WMC, because ServerWMC hooks into the windows recording and EPG services via ehome/MCE dll libraries which can only be done locally. The recorded TV drive must be a local drive to this PC (this is a WMC limitation) however you can trick it by using symbolic links, or in my case I have an ISCSI mounted drive for recorded TV that actually lives on my NAS. The recorded TV directory must be shared and accessible to your MB3 server machine. Some of the benefits from my perspective of using WMC as a backend are the support for a broad range of tuner devices and different countries broadcast (terrestrial, satellite, cable cards etc) as well as getting the EPG data whether its downloadable or OTA broadcasted etc. We can also support all of the WMC funcitonality such as channel groups, series recording, advanced pre/post recording overlap/trimming, conflict resolution etc, editing/merging/hiding/prioritising of channels/tuners. Note that I have not seen how much of this krusty has supported for the MB3 side of things yet! In terms of best setup, what I have is a "server" machine running windows 8.1 that runs WMC and ServerWMC as well as other things such as uTorrent and sickbeard etc. I also have a NAS for storage. I used to try and run things like torrents/sickbeard on the NAS and on a raspberry Pi but i found they werent powerful enough so I really want to have a proper machine for a server, therefore im not so concerned about always having that server on. I then have smaller HTPCs (Intel Pemtium mostly, although going forward I will use the Intel NUC's) in the lounge room and bedrooms that are running XBMC and hooking back to the windows 8.1 tv server. I agree this is not great for those who already have a "real" server running WHS2011, Server2008, Server2012 etc but unfortunately Microsoft has not made WMC able to be run on these and it seems nobody has been able to get past that in the workstation as desktop community (and I guess at this point, likely never will). Hosting a VM with WMC installed and USB tuners (or networked tuner) accessible to the VM is an idea others have also mentioned, but I have not seen if anyone has done it yet. It would be cool to know whether it works for anyone... Thanks and I look forward to working with the MB3 team and community to provide client/server based TV viewing I've done it, as in a VM running Windows 7 with WMC enabled....using HDHomeRun's for the TV runners (x2) and it works no issues with ServerWMC....I didn't do this as my final solution, just what I racked up as I didn't want to fiddle with my production box (NextPVR etc.)....it's works without any issues...actually amazingly works very well.. Like you I use iSCSI from the virtual image to my NAS, again no issues from the VM to the NAS done like this...
gutterpunk13 8 Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Hey guys! Got live tv working over the weekend but today is the first day I've actually got to put it to the test! I have a ceton infinitiTV 6 tuner and I am accessing my media server over the internet. First of all it works better than expected network usage and stream quality are excellent! I am having an issue where the stream pauses after a while and the only way to fix it is to close the stream and push play again. This could happen within 15 minutes or as long as two hours or more but it does happen every time. At one point it would not play at all and the way I fixed it was to totally refresh the page and then push play again. I know things like this are hard to diagnose when there are so many variables, and this is still just a beta, but can anyone tell me if they are having a similar issue? Thanks! John
scarecrow420 8 Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) Post up your logs and we can have a look if any error is occuring at the point where the stream pauses. As per a previous post in this thread, you should post ServerWMC, MB3 and ffmpeg logs. Upload them to pastebin and paste the links here Edited January 21, 2014 by scarecrow420
Tikuf 663 Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 @@scarecrow420 I agree we need to see some logs but I think I know what is happening logs will help confirm it. If it is what I am thinking I am working on it . I think conversion is catching the ts and reaching eof (we are currently piping the ts to the transcode). I am hoping to cut the ts from the equation and use the temp wtv. I have a proof of concept running atm but I am still playing with it.. 1
gutterpunk13 8 Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 I have many(22) ffmpeg log files from yesterday. I have attached several of them. Let me know if you need any more. How would I go about learning how to do all this? I would love to help as a dev but would not even know how to begin to learn this stuff. Thanks again. ServerWMC.log ffmpeg-84759f63-ca69-4c4b-92de-36b122b14ff0.txt ffmpeg-65818ad0-570b-40a6-9c0a-10263bff3696.txt ffmpeg-764329ed-41fe-4b7e-b5fa-2ae57fc99dcd.txt ffmpeg-e82ce7cc-197e-40ed-af99-ccd2cb1d0651.txt ffmpeg-c75fc99f-08dc-4f07-9b11-ed74eafd2205.txt ffmpeg-1a82de40-820f-412a-b645-66d2e4cd1e47.txt ffmpeg-320b189b-c443-4d85-b82f-77244dbedc02.txt
Lee 212 Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 I've installed the tv server finally it says its running etc. The scheduled recordings show, the recorded shows show but the guide isn't populating. At present I'd just like to use the guide to set recordings when I'm not home so not too concerned about anything else just yet. Any ideas what i might need to do?? Sent by my HTC8X using Tapatalk
LeftForPlex 8 Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 I've installed the tv server finally it says its running etc. The scheduled recordings show, the recorded shows show but the guide isn't populating. At present I'd just like to use the guide to set recordings when I'm not home so not too concerned about anything else just yet. Any ideas what i might need to do?? Sent by my HTC8X using Tapatalk Restart ServerWMC, then restart MB3 Server. I had the same issue and this fixed it. Thank you, Marcus 1
Lee 212 Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 I've restarted my pc. Should restart everything shouldn't it? I'll give it a shot. Cheers Sent by my HTC8X using Tapatalk
grousie26 1 Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 the serverwmc plugin is throwing an error Thanks @@Luke - Who and where do i report this? I have uninstalled and reinstalled the plugin to no avail.
pagali 62 Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Got Live TV set up yesterday for OTA channels with a reactivated HDHomerun I've had for ages. There are more working parts than I expected... is there a guide somewhere that shows that you have to: 1. Get WMC set up for Live TV with tuners, channels, etc.; (this is the part that wasn't prepared, because I've never used WMC for TV) 2. Install ServerWMC application and set it up; 3. Install the ServerWMC plugin in MB3 web interface. Viewing live TV isn't working too well as yet, nor is viewing recorded shows from the web interface. However, the recordings are actually excellent. I discovered that MPC-HC plays the .wtv files very nicely, so I set up an MB3 media folder pointing to them, then set MPC-HC as an external player within MBC, for WTV files only. Looking forward to watching Live TV develop and mature.
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