Different versions identified as a different movie

[billyjr82 1]

I have the movie Fearless (2006) with Jet Li on my server.  This movie has a theatrical release, director's cut, and an unrated cut.  These are combined into a single entry on the server.  If I let the server identify it entirely on its own, it will identify it as an animated movie called Fearless (2020).  No worries, I can tell it which one is correct and then lock it.

Later on as I'm browsing through what else a certain actor has done that is on my server, it shows that they are in Fearless (2020).  It looks like what happened is that while the combination of all of those versions are the correct version of Fearless, the individual files are still attached to the incorrect one.  If I happen to stumble upon this exact path, then I can find this example.  But I can't figure out any kind of search or fix that I can do to make sure that all versions of a movie are all identified as what I want them to be.

[Luke 42679]

Hi there, how are your files named and organized?

[billyjr82 1]

In the case of Fearless, they are labeled as follows:

\\Video\Movies\Fearless\Fearless - Director's Cut.mkv

\\Video\Movies\Fearless\Fearless - Theatrical Release.mkv

\\Video\Movies\Fearless\Fearless - Unrated.mkv

[Neminem 1767]

Here is how I name my media

Folder : 

Fearless (2006) {TmdbId-7549}

Media :

Fearless (2006) {TmdbId-7549} - Director's Cut.mkv

Fearless (2006) {TmdbId-7549} - Theatrical Release.mkv

Fearless (2006) {TmdbId-7549} - Unrated.mkv

Adding Year and tmdbid will help Emby identify the movie.

With only Fearless in search you get this.

Fearless — The Movie Database (TMDB)

[billyjr82 1]

Because that to me seems like way more work than is necessary.  95% of the time Emby will get it right anyways with just the title.  The few times it didn't find it right off the bat, I can just go in and say "no, it's that one".  And I'm done.  What I don't understand is after telling Emby it's this one, why does it still associate another version of the same movie to a completely different movie?

[Happy2Play 9836]

Ideally all movies should be Name (year) to alleviate movies with same name. 

7 minutes ago, billyjr82 said:

What I don't understand is after telling Emby it's this one, why does it still associate another version of the same movie to a completely different movie?

Since all versions technically have their own metadata/nfo Emby does not write to all when one is edited.  So editing grouped items in Emby only edits the item imported first.

[billyjr82 1]

13 hours ago, Happy2Play said:

Ideally all movies should be Name (year) to alleviate movies with same name.

I don’t want to go back and rename everything in my collection just because Emby doesn’t want to write something to each item.  I’ve already gone through the collection one by one on the front end and told Emby what to combine, what to split, and what everything actually is.  I don’t understand why the back end doesn’t match what I’ve told it everything is from the front end.  Why have an “identify” feature on the front end if we insist that everyone only name everything 100% properly on the back end?

[Umpa2025 0]

9 hours ago, billyjr82 said:

I don’t want to go back and rename everything in my collection just because Emby doesn’t want to write something to each item.  I’ve already gone through the collection one by one on the front end and told Emby what to combine, what to split, and what everything actually is.  I don’t understand why the back end doesn’t match what I’ve told it everything is from the front end.  Why have an “identify” feature on the front end if we insist that everyone only name everything 100% properly on the back end?

I use Tiny Media Manager to do all the work.

[Luke 42679]

Hi, can you please show screenshot examples of what you see in Emby ? Thanks.

[billyjr82 1]

It's kind of difficult to take screenshots when I already fixed this one specific film.  And since I don't know if there are any other instances of this kind of thing on my server, there isn't anything I can take a screenshot of.  Each screenshot, absent any other context, would look exactly like it should.  Fearless would have a dropdown for which version of the movie you want to watch, and it would show both files stats when you scroll down.  Click on any of the actors to see what else they're in on my server and it will show they were in Fearless.

The catch comes when if by chance, I go to an actor's page who was in a completely different movie called Fearless, then it will show that they were in 'that' version of Fearless.  But there's no other way to my knowledge of figuring out if there are any other instances of anything like this on my server.

[Luke 42679]

10 minutes ago, billyjr82 said:

It's kind of difficult to take screenshots when I already fixed this one specific film.  And since I don't know if there are any other instances of this kind of thing on my server, there isn't anything I can take a screenshot of.  Each screenshot, absent any other context, would look exactly like it should.  Fearless would have a dropdown for which version of the movie you want to watch, and it would show both files stats when you scroll down.  Click on any of the actors to see what else they're in on my server and it will show they were in Fearless.

The catch comes when if by chance, I go to an actor's page who was in a completely different movie called Fearless, then it will show that they were in 'that' version of Fearless.  But there's no other way to my knowledge of figuring out if there are any other instances of anything like this on my server.

Hi, does the new duplicates filter in the movies tab help you locate these quicker?

[billyjr82 1]

The duplicates filter just tells me that there are multiple versions of that movie.  It doesn't show me what it thinks the other duplicate is.

I think I found another way to explain the issue.

1. Add Shrek 1-4 to the server and refresh.

2. Notice that Shrek The Third (3) is sorted after Shrek Forever After (4).  This is as intended.  I don't expect Emby to be able to figure out what is in a series and what the order is.  I'm happy to fix that part by hand.  No problem.

3. Fix the Sort Title on Shrek The Third and Shrek Forever After to say Shrek 3 and Shrek 4 respectively.

4. Hooray!  They are where they should be.

5. Add 3D versions of all 4 movies and refresh the library.  Named properly so that Emby knows they are the same movies.

6. Hooray!  It shows Shrek 1-4, still in the correct order, and it shows the 3D version as a selectable dropdown.

7. Now let's see all of the 3D movies we have on the server.  Turn on the 3D filter.

8. Notice that the Shrek movies are now sorted back in the original order (1, 2, 4, 3).  Because it is not keeping the Sort title with the MOVIE, only with the FILE.

This does not make sense to me.  When I want to edit the metadata of a movie, I am editing it for that movie.  If I want two files to have separate metadata, I'll make them a separate movie on Emby.

Maybe Emby wants to keep separate metadata for each file regardless of if it is combined with something else or not.  That's fine.  But when I run a search that hits the Shrek movies, there should only be one metadata that is used for that movie regardless of which file it hits.

This example with Shrek obviously is a very minor problem with a very easy fix.  But the OP issue is something I wouldn't know is an issue unless I search across every single duplicate in a way that would hit one of the files, but not the other, and see if Emby mis-identified it or didn't carry over the metadata.