Politische Neutralität ... please keep political neutrality

[Suliamu 36]

22 minutes ago, K1ng_Lear said:

Sorry, but this isn't true. In german schools is only one common german language teached. You're referring to dialects, they are spoken widley but they are changing every 30km. So it wouldn't be a vice choice to teach them in school. 

Bavarian is its own language and has its own written rules. They have their own schoolbooks in Bavarian:
https://www.sueddeutsche.de/bayern/dialekt-lernt-sprechen-kinder-aber-bloss-kein-hochdeutsch-1.3576423    

There is even movies released in "Bavarian" additionally to "Hochdeutsch". 
You saying that this is some dialect would be pretty insulting to someone from Bavaria and would be answered by saying that you are a chauvinistic Prussian. 

Language is dynamic. It is how people speak and changes all the time. 
When in couple years "inclusive language" will turn into "official language" you will beg for my idea to offer both, because then it will benefit you. 

Edit:
I've opened up MKVtoolnix and looked into the language codes for audio languages.
They have Bavarian there and Frankish and maybe a lot of other ones. The list is very long. 
So that's that

Edited October 3, 2025 by Suliamu

[K1ng_Lear 237]

1 minute ago, Suliamu said:

Bavarian is its own language and has its own written rules. They have their own schoolbooks in Bavarian:

I live in bavaria, and this isn't true. Neither me nor my children or parents or grandparents hasn't ever a lesson in bavarian. So, no, this is false. Read the full article you posted, please, because there never written from an official change of the teaching plans. 

 

3 minutes ago, Suliamu said:

Language is dynamic. It is how people speak and changes all the time. 
When in couple years "inclusive language" will turn into "official language" you will beg for my idea to offer both, because then it will benefit you. 

Yeah, language is changing, but this changes are forced and not generated by common use like an actual language development works. So, a lot of people feels insulted by this changes, because it implicit that the you're a too stupid to understand the difference between Genus and Sexus. (Softworkz provided a good explanation in english on the former page)

[Suliamu 36]

9 minutes ago, K1ng_Lear said:

Read the full article you posted, please, because there never written from an official change of the teaching plans. 

 

Quote:
"Während allerdings in der 5000-Einwohner-Gemeinde Chieming der Trachtenverein keine Nachwuchsprobleme hat und viele Schüler den Dialekt noch von daheim mit in die Schule bringen, gibt es auch Stadt-Schulen, in denen bis zu 80 Prozent der Schüler einen Migrationshintergrund haben. Dort seien Bemühungen ums Bairische, wie sie inzwischen im Grundschul-Lehrplan verankert sind, mit einigen Schwierigkeiten verbunden."

In this article is written that in the little town of Cheming most of pupils know Bavarian from home, but in city schools where 80% have a non-german background this is different. They have Bavarian in elementary school but it makes problems they write. 
This article says clearly it is in the teaching plans. 
I am also german btw and only writing here in english so the other people understand also. So i really don't understand why you try to gaslight me now into believing that i simply don't understand what is written there sir. 

 

9 minutes ago, K1ng_Lear said:

but this changes are forced and not generated by common use like an actual language development works

It came from the universities and from the artists. 
Young people came up with it. 
Every societal changes come from exactly there. 
Not from bureaucracy and politicians. 
They just jumped on it because they saw it is a popular topic. In both ways.  
I understand that you don't like the changes, it's new stuff to learn and so on, but young people seem to feel better with an "inclusive language". 
It's their thing how they speak. 
Our parents were very angry when anglicisms were introduced into german language. 
Today its fully normal and nobody is bothered by it. 
Again: I am arguing not for one side or the other, but i am arguing for flexibility. 

Edited October 3, 2025 by Suliamu

[K1ng_Lear 237]

4 minutes ago, Suliamu said:

 

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"Während allerdings in der 5000-Einwohner-Gemeinde Chieming der Trachtenverein keine Nachwuchsprobleme hat und viele Schüler den Dialekt noch von daheim mit in die Schule bringen, gibt es auch Stadt-Schulen, in denen bis zu 80 Prozent der Schüler einen Migrationshintergrund haben. Dort seien Bemühungen ums Bairische, wie sie inzwischen im Grundschul-Lehrplan verankert sind, mit einigen Schwierigkeiten verbunden."

In this article is written that in the little town of Cheming most of pupils know Bavarian from home, but in city schools where 80% have a non-german background this is different. They have Bavarian in elementary school but it makes problems they write. 
This article says clearly it is in the teaching plans. 
I am also german btw and only writing here in english so the other people understand also. So i really don't understand why you try to gaslight me now into believing that i simply don't understand what is written there sir. 
 

This related to speaking only to keep the bavarian culture. There are no, writing rules.

I sogs etz a mol mid a weng an dialegd, es gibd kanne schreibregln dafir. des is a der grund, warums so ludiche asterix hefdla in dialegd gibd di aba a jeda anders liesd!

[softworkz 5065]

3 minutes ago, Suliamu said:

ort seien Bemühungen ums Bairische, wie sie inzwischen im Grundschul-Lehrplan verankert sind,

Unfortunately, I have to confirm this.

But it was in 3rd class during the last 3 weeks before summer holiday - a few lessons and no grades were given.

[softworkz 5065]

5 minutes ago, softworkz said:

Unfortunately, I have to confirm this.

But it was in 3rd class during the last 3 weeks before summer holiday - a few lessons and no grades were given.

Most importantly, though: It is NOT taught as a language that pupils are supposed to learn. More background: https://www.dialekte.schule.bayern.de/schulbezug/lehrplan-und-bay-verfassung/

Anyway, this has absolutely nothing to do with this topic.

There's exactly ONE official German language. Not two, not three, not one-and-a-half - just ONE. And that's the only point that matters.

[Suliamu 36]

10 minutes ago, K1ng_Lear said:

I sogs etz a mol mid a weng an dialegd, es gibd kanne schreibregln dafir. des is a der grund, warums so ludiche asterix hefdla in dialegd gibd di aba a jeda anders liesd!

Auch das ist im Fluss. 
Es gibt ja sogar inzwischen ne bayerische Wikipedia, die quasi schon gewissen sprachlichen Regeln folgt:
https://bar.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hoamseitn 

Vielleicht wär ja ein Vorschlag zur Güte wenn es auch eine bayerische Sprachfassung geben würde bzw man die ganze Sprachengine deutlich flexibler macht so wie das plugin-System

[K1ng_Lear 237]

14 minutes ago, softworkz said:

Unfortunately, I have to confirm this.

But it was in 3rd class during the last 3 weeks before summer holiday - a few lessons and no grades were given.

Me and my children had never such lessons. We live in the Nuremberg area and there were never anything like this. Further more, in my elementary time, over 40 years ago, it wasn't well seen to speak dialect in german. 

And I still insist, that there is no writing rules to dialect which is teached. 

[softworkz 5065]

Regarding dialects, we have decided not to add any to our language set.

This is not about that we'd have anything against dialects - it's merely for practical reasons. In fact, we have removed some languages while setting up the new translation site, like for example:

• be-BY: Belarussian: In Belarus, people speak Russian and the official language is Russian. Belarussian is a very traditional language that only a certain percentage of people are familiar with and is rarely spoken
• gsw - Switzerdütch: Considered a dialect, sounds funny, but has little value for anybody, because everybody who knows Switzerdütch can at least speak one other language very well or usually even better

 

The problems with those languages in the context of Emby translations are these:

• At some point, somebody had convinced us to add such language
  • With good faith and energy they started translating
  • But some time later, interest was lost - and nobody else had interest in translatiing to this language
• Finally, this ended up in a situation where translations were sparse - very sparse,  with the effect that in Emby Server and apps, like only one or two strings of 10 were in that language and everything else in English
  => This makes no sense - such minimal-translated languages are not useful for anybody, not even fans of that language
• What goes on top of that: There aren't any automated translations available for those languages, so we have no chance to ever fill any blanks.

That's why we don't add dialects or rare languages anymore.
Now we have - for the first time - a fixed set of 51 languages across all our projects. Adding an additional language will need to be backed by a serious justification. 

Edited October 3, 2025 by softworkz

[softworkz 5065]

21 minutes ago, K1ng_Lear said:

We live in the Nuremberg area and there were never anything like this.

I can confirm that, because I know that city very well.

What I was talking about happened a few years ago in Munich.

[K1ng_Lear 237]

46 minutes ago, Suliamu said:

Auch das ist im Fluss. 
Es gibt ja sogar inzwischen ne bayerische Wikipedia, die quasi schon gewissen sprachlichen Regeln folgt:
https://bar.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Hoamseitn 

Vielleicht wär ja ein Vorschlag zur Güte wenn es auch eine bayerische Sprachfassung geben würde bzw man die ganze Sprachengine deutlich flexibler macht so wie das plugin-System

Na ja, Wiki ist als Quelle, vorsichtig gesagt, umstritten, da darf jeder schreiben wie und was er mag. Wenn Du Wiki als Quelle in Deiner Diplomarbeit angibst  hast Du ein Problem. Das ist wie ein Fandom-Wiki und repräsentiert keine sprachlichen Regeln.

Bayrisch als oder Fränkisch, das was hier gesprochen wird, hätte zwar Vorteile, weil man einige Buchstaben aus dem Alphabet streichen könnte, macht aber IMHO in einer Software keinen Sinn. 

Bayrisch, Fränkisch, Schwäbisch oder sonst was sind auch kein Problem, da mit diesen Sprachen schlicht keine politische Agenda verbunden ist. Das ist leider beim Gender das Problem, hier will man bewusst die Sprache manipulieren um Menschen gewisse Denkmuster aufzudrücken und ihnen andere zu erschweren. Nur macht Gendern, noch nicht einmal in der sog. neutralen Form, keinen Sinn.

Erstens vernachlässigt es grundsätzlich die Entstehung mancher Wörter: lutschen (Verb) wird nach weglassen des Infinitivs zu "der Lutscher". 

Zweitens erschwert es Kommunikation statt, was Sprache soll, diese zu vereinfachen und klarer zu gestalten.

Bsp.: "In dem Raum mit 20 Studierenden sind 12 Studierende." Was habe ich jetzt gesagt? 

oder... "... die Radfahrenden stehen an der Ampel." Das ist ein Widerspruch in sich.

Eine bayrische Sprachfassung würde meinen WAF zerstören. 

Edited October 3, 2025 by K1ng_Lear

[Killface69 96]

Amtssprache ist immer noch Hochdeutsch. 

Gendern ist lediglich eine moralische Modenschau der Konzerne, früher nannte man das „jemanden mit dem Arsch ins Gesicht springen“. 

[darkside40 107]

Sorry but i dont get what gender appropriate language has to do with beeing political neutral.

Also there are quiet many unprofessional (or not neutral) comments in this  thread regarding gender appropriate language, like blaming people that use it to have some kind of agenda etc or that it is a  "moralische Modenschau", whatever this is.

Languages evolve, banning new concepts simply means fear of new things. I mean we could also switch over to using the general femininum if it suits anyone better (i would vote for that). 

It is not the case that somebody is forced in Germany to use it, so banning is makes no real sense. But it is always on the agenda of conservative german right wings, they really seem ti e obsessed with that topic. 

Not using it in Emby is totally okay. It is no really good readable etc. But making a fuzz of it like that seems a bit over dramatic.

[Killface69 96]

2 hours ago, darkside40 said:

Sorry but i dont get what gender appropriate language has to do with beeing political neutral.

Also there are quiet many unprofessional (or not neutral) comments in this  thread regarding gender appropriate language, like blaming people that use it to have some kind of agenda etc or that it is a  "moralische Modenschau", whatever this is.

Languages evolve, banning new concepts simply means fear of new things. I mean we could also switch over to using the general femininum if it suits anyone better (i would vote for that). 

It is not the case that somebody is forced in Germany to use it, so banning is makes no real sense. But it is always on the agenda of conservative german right wings, they really seem ti e obsessed with that topic. 

Not using it in Emby is totally okay. It is no really good readable etc. But making a fuzz of it like that seems a bit over dramatic.

As you wrote, language ist evolving. Evolution is a natural process. 
Forcing unnatural speech patterns upon others just for the sake of bring „woke“ (whatever that is supposed to mean nowadays) is the thing you described but have no idea of can be called a „moralische Modenschau“.

You can use whatever weirdspeech you want, good luck teaching someone who struggles with German language the concept and application of your generic feminum. Ens ens ens.

 

In contrast to your belief, left activists seem even more obsessesed with forcing those unnatural changes upon others. 

There have been cases where students received worse grades for not using gender newspeech in their homework. How is this not forced?

Maybe some people make a fuzz and try to gaslight others into wrongthinking and using newspeech. 

Edited October 12, 2025 by Killface69

[sh0rty 714]

Tatsächlich geht die Übersetzung auf meine Kappe. Aber nicht aus den ideologischen Gründen, die hier unterstellt werden (was im übrigen vom Tonfall her von nicht mehr Verstand als bei den links-grün Versifften Zecken zeugt, die das Ganze in DE ad absurdum führen), sondern um die Überführung zu Weblate dazu zu nutzen, alles abzudecken, und zwar ohne weiteren Hintergedanken. Es gibt nun mal Regisseure und Regisseurinnen, Autoren und Autorinnen sowie Schauspieler und Schauspielerinnen. Aber nur einen übersetzbaren Begriff in Weblate aufgrund der Sprachunterschiede. In Anbetracht was hier in dem Thread abgeht, kann ich nur verwundert den Kopf schütteln. Das ist zu wild hier. Ich habe schon seit fast einem Jahrzehnt so viele Übersetzungen in Emby beigesteuert, aber so was hab ich noch nie erlebt. @softworkzmich bitte aus der Translation-Feedback-Gruppe entfernen und @K1ng_Leardafür aufnehmen. Danke. Und um das Ganze mit meinem Heimatdialekt abzuschliessen: Ehr hätt en Ääz am wandere.

Edited October 13, 2025 by sh0rty

[softworkz 5065]

Hey @sh0rty

I always knew who did that translation, but it never mattered who did it and this is not about blaming anybody. Half of the translation suggestions were on the side of what you chose. It's not a questions of who did what but a question of how this should be handled in Emby translations - a legitimate question and I think there's a common agreement.
It's an emotional subject, that's why it has gotten blown up a bit more than it would have deserved, but that all.

You have provided good feedback about our translation platform and contributed more than a thousand valuable translations withing those few months that the new platform is active. @K1ng_Learhas 9. So - no: there's no reason to replace you in the feedback group. I have full trust and am confident that you are the right member to have there.

 

Thanks a lot for your contributions and stop taking it personal - it has never been about you  

[Killface69 96]

EDIT: Entfernt, KF

Edited October 16, 2025 by Killface69
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[softworkz 5065]

10 minutes ago, Killface69 said:

In sofern wäre es schön, einfach nur das amtliche Regelwerk umzusetzen

It has been clarified many posts above already that we're doing this exactly.

11 minutes ago, Killface69 said:

Ohne emotionale Diskussion. 

Why are you still writing then? 

[zourf 0]

On 10/12/2025 at 8:56 PM, Killface69 said:

As you wrote, language ist evolving. Evolution is a natural process. 
Forcing unnatural speech patterns upon others just for the sake of bring „woke“ (whatever that is supposed to mean nowadays) is the thing you described but have no idea of can be called a „moralische Modenschau“.

You can use whatever weirdspeech you want, good luck teaching someone who struggles with German language the concept and application of your generic feminum. Ens ens ens.

In contrast to your belief, left activists seem even more obsessesed with forcing those unnatural changes upon others. 

There have been cases where students received worse grades for not using gender newspeech in their homework. How is this not forced?

Maybe some people make a fuzz and try to gaslight others into wrongthinking and using newspeech. 

Small hint: a lot of the German language that you’d most probably deem “natural evolved” (and is in Duden nowadays) is actually not evolved, but brought in artificially (words like Verfasser, Jahrhundert, Landstraße, Briefwechsel, Staatsmann, Anschrift, Rückblick, Leitbild, Umwelt, Abteil -- all coined by humans of an organisation with an “agenda”, in the 18th centrury, and established. They also wanted to replace Mumie by Dörrleiche, but that didn’t catch).

When reading your rather emotional texts, I have doubt that your drive on this topic is “being neutral”, really.

[Killface69 96]

1 hour ago, zourf said:

Small hint: a lot of the German language that you’d most probably deem “natural evolved” (and is in Duden nowadays) is actually not evolved, but brought in artificially (words like Verfasser, Jahrhundert, Landstraße, Briefwechsel, Staatsmann, Anschrift, Rückblick, Leitbild, Umwelt, Abteil -- all coined by humans of an organisation with an “agenda”, in the 18th centrury, and established. They also wanted to replace Mumie by Dörrleiche, but that didn’t catch).

When reading your rather emotional texts, I have doubt that your drive on this topic is “being neutral”, really.

Du wirfst mir Dinge vor, die du im selben Atemzug selbst bestätigst. Sprache verändert sich, klar. Aber sie verändert sich durch Gebrauch, nicht durch Lehrstuhl-Experimente oder moralische Druckkammern, die du selbst als kritisch betrachtest.

In deinem Beispiel der "Dörrleiche" beziehst du dich offensichtlich auf den Deutschen Sprachpurismus. Ich erkenne den gleichen Holzhammeraktionismus wie bei den Genderpäpsten. 
Zu der der angeblich erzwungen Wort "Briefwechsel" konnte ich auch keine Belege für deine Behauptung finden. 

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https://www.dwds.de/wb/etymwb/Briefwechsel
brieflich Adj., ahd. briaflīh ‘schriftlich, brieflich’ (10. Jh.), mhd. brievelīchen Adv.
Briefwechsel m. bereits Mitte des 16. Jhs. belegt, danach 1644 von Harsdörfer als Verdeutschung von Korrespondenz (s. d.) vorgeschlagen.
Briefmarke f. (Mitte 19. Jh.).

Wenn eine Person wie Harsdörfer, ein Dichter, der über 50 Bücher zu fast allen Wissensgebieten seiner Zeit, darunter zur Poetik, zum Kanzleiwesen, zur Tranchierkunst sowie zur Mathematik und Astronomie verfasste, neue Worte vorschlägt, hat das mehr Substanz als die Vorschläge von irgendwelchen TikTok-Aktivisten, die anscheinend ständig nur an Geschlechter und Geschlechtsorgane denken. 

Warst du mal in Frankreich auf einer Behörde? Weißt du was ein baladeur oder ein ordinateur ist und wieso man im Französischen keine Anglizismen nutzt? Gibt es davon mittlerweile auch die baladeuse und die ordinateuse? Würdest du lieber im Coupé sitzen oder im Abteil? Wieso verwenden wir dann anglizistische Wortneuschöpfungen wie "Handy" (=praktisch) für Mobiltelefone, oder "Oldtimer"? Oder das Wort Bodybag, im Englischen ein Leichensack, hier das schicke Umhängetäschchen ... Bei diesen Auswüchsen wäre eine Renaissance (Wiedergeburt) des Sprachpurismus vielleicht angebracht.
Die meisten deiner Beispiele sind entweder falsch oder völlig überzogen dargestellt. Und was ist falsch daran, dass es Vereine gibt, die deutsche Sprache fördern und nicht verhuntzen?

Ich beziehe mich auf den Duden, also auf das, was gerade als verbindlich gilt. Wenn sich das ändert, fein. Aber solange jeder Zweite aus dem Bauch heraus meint, Sprache „neu denken“ zu müssen um Neusprech zu erschaffen, darf man schon mal die Frage stellen, wer hier eigentlich die Entwicklung erzwingt.

Und ganz ehrlich: Wir sind hier in der deutschen Sektion. Du darfst ruhig auf Deutsch schreiben. Niemand wird dich deswegen canceln.

Edited October 17, 2025 by Killface69
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[Guest]

To the mods: This entire thread is ridiculous and the fact this thread has not been closed yet makes Emby look bad.

Do yourself a favor: don't listen to these people.

Not using '*' is exclusive and dismissive and these people are discussing [redacted].

You should ban these people since they will continue pushing their [redacted] ideas and not give up until you give in.

You will keep facing this kind of experience.

If you don't draw the line, this typ of crowd will draw it for you.

It will spread like cancer until this project dies, since edge lords are only pleased by the damage they are causing.

Edited October 18, 2025 by GrimReaper
Be civil

[softworkz 5065]

Nobody has violated the Forum Rules.

Nobody will be banned.

People are free to express their opinions as long as the rules are obeyed.
So far, you are closer to a ban than any of the others who have commented above.
(I don't mean close though - just closer)

As said above already, we use official German language - i.e. no '*' in any of the German translations. There is nothing to discuss in this regard.