Please provide a Windows Emby Theatre legacy version

[softworkz 5065]

42 minutes ago, Houfino said:

You are wrong that people think 'it's not bad' because of the Windows Store.

I didn't say that. 

 

42 minutes ago, Houfino said:

There are a lot of limitations, bugs and other problems.

Which ones exactly?

 

38 minutes ago, Houfino said:

limits us because of UWP

The Emby Windows app is not a UWP app.

 

Edited July 18, 2025 by softworkz

[softworkz 5065]

Two alternate ways to install:

 

WinGet

winget install 9nblggh4t70l

(download winget here: https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli) 

 

Download EXE Installer

• Go there: https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9nblggh4t70l
• Click Download - this will download an EXE installer

 

 

[Guest]

6 hours ago, softworkz said:

Two alternate ways to install:

 

WinGet

winget install 9nblggh4t70l

(download winget here: https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli) 

 

Download EXE Installer

• Go there: https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9nblggh4t70l
• Click Download - this will download an EXE installer

 

 

It's clear now that you aren't understanding and we will get what we want. 

I'm not going to be a part of this nonsense anymore. 

[pwhodges 2012]

Suit yourself - but I can't see what you gain by this attitude.

Paul

[Guest]

10 hours ago, pwhodges said:

Suit yourself - but I can't see what you gain by this attitude.

It's flabbergasting how little is understood. What do I have to gain? We've already lost everything. EVERYTHING is to be gained. The app has been reduced to nothing. It's the most basic it can be. All of the audio/music functionality has been taken away. We can do nothing with image enhancement. The external player was taken away. We can't update mpv. We can't even install it the way we want. The list goes on. Every choice and decision is being made FOR us. It's an endless stream of errors and bad decisions. It's disgusting! 

If you can't see this, then be happy in your ignorance. They say it's blissful. 

Edited July 19, 2025 by generiq

[Guest]

Do you realize that mpv is 2 almost 3 versions behind? There bave been some major improvements. But you won't be allow to take advantage of them, because one person doesn't like them, and makes the decision for everyone. This software is no longer intended for its audience. Its now about what the developers like and find most convenient....for them.

It's unconscionable.

[Luke 42077]

Hi, we will be updating our mpv build in the near future . Thanks.

[Guest]

Can you imagine going to a restaurant and ordering a meal, only to find out that you have to eat that meal the exact same way as everyone else, which is how the chef dictates it? That restaurant wouldn't stay in business very long.

[pwhodges 2012]

6 hours ago, generiq said:

It's flabbergasting how little is understood. What do I have to gain? We've already lost everything. EVERYTHING is to be gained. The app has been reduced to nothing.

I was not talking about the Emby app. I was addressing your expressed hatred of the Windows App Store.

Concerning the app itself, although the Emby app does everything I want, for both video and music, I am perfectly aware that it still has a few deficiencies compared with the old Electron-based one (and don't even mention the old app store program).  It also has some advantages for me as well as the irritations.

5 hours ago, generiq said:

Can you imagine going to a restaurant and ordering a meal, only to find out that you have to eat that meal the exact same way as everyone else, which is how the chef dictates it? 

You can still download and use the old app that you prefer, while the no-longer-supported platform it's built on continues to work.  Oh, and yes, I know restaurants which are like that - what's more, they are nearly all high-end ones...

Paul

[Guest]

13 hours ago, pwhodges said:

I am perfectly aware that it still has a few deficiencies compared with the old Electron-based one (and don't even mention the old app store program).

Oh my! No, you have no idea the extent of the deficiencies. There is a great deal going on behind the scenes. What I mentioned, only scratches the surface. I'm advocating for the better experience that you should have. This is very much a case of, you don't know what you don't know. The main difference between Theater and the new app is that for those who wanted more/better, we could achieve it. Now, every option has been stripped away. There was talk of creating an app that would be excellent for everyone. I bought into that, and helped make it that way. But what we got was mediocrity. What we have now is simply ordinary, and nothing like being excellent. But let's for get complex options for a moment. There are many fixes and improvements that you're all missing out on. Luke says that mpv is going to be updated soon. Nothing personal, Luke, but how many times have we heard that and waited sometimes years for it happen? And even when it does get updated, it will probably be an older build and you'll still not have everything. Then comes implementation, in which case the options/abilities will be controlled and limited, as they are now. There are great updates being merged pretty much every week right now. Those guys are doing great things, but the emby app will likely never see or use them. For someone like me, this is maddening! I mean, fine, you don't want to risk being on the bleeding edge, but it's so far behind It's falling into obsolescence.

[Guest]

Look at this: 5 days ago

https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/pull/16546

Check out this comment when it was merged. See that comment about vo=gpu? That's a big deal. vo=gpu-next was always intended to replace gpu. Looks like gpu is close to going away. And that commit fixes something significant.

 

And this is coming

https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/pull/16558

 

There is so much that emby is not giving you!

[TMCsw 246]

22 hours ago, generiq said:

That restaurant wouldn't stay in business very long.

McDonald’s?

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, TMCsw said:

McDonald’s?

But even MckyD's give you options. No onions, no pickles, etc or extra this or that...

[TMCsw 246]

7 minutes ago, generiq said:

But even MckyD's give you options. No onions, no pickles, etc or extra this or that...

Have you ever tried asking Mcd's for that (it will no longer be fast food just cold food) ET has some options too just not what you are asking for..

(i'm not arguing against you just trying to keep it in perspective and lite)

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, TMCsw said:

Have you ever tried asking Mcd's for that (it will no longer be fast food just cold food) ET has some options too just not what you are asking for..

(i'm not arguing against you just trying to keep it in perspective and lite)

Actually, yes. Everytime I go. I've got some food allergies.

ET as in Theater? I'm very well versed in it's operation. I've involved with it since the day the original was developed. 

[Guest]

On 7/19/2025 at 1:15 AM, pwhodges said:

Oh, and yes, I know restaurants which are like that - what's more, they are nearly all high-end ones.

So you're telling me that when your meal comes, you weren't allowed or able to add salt or condiments or alter your food in any way? Don't be absurd! I know people that bring their own condements with them. Some bring a bottle wine. And 'high end' or not, you can request any change you want. If you think a 'high end' restaurant won't do this, you're afraid to ask. I have food allergies. I have dined at a Michelin star restaurant, and they accommodated me. Either you're lying, afraid or you live somewhere terrible. 

The point is that other media players provide many options to tailor your experience. How many people still use mpc with madVR?  mpv has vast potential, but mom and dad are saying "do as your told". F**k that! 

Emby is being a little draconian, here.

[Guest]

Does everyone now understand the horror of being slaved to an app store? If you don't care about having choices, that's your prerogative, but I want to control the software I install. I'm not going to trust other entities to make decisions for me.

Edited July 21, 2025 by generiq

[Luke 42077]

1 hour ago, generiq said:

Does everyone now understand the horror of being slaved to an app store? If you don't care about having choices, that's your prerogative, but I want to control the software I install. I'm not going to trust other entities to make decisions for me.

Even if it were a separate install, the app would still be compiled with a specific mpv version. How does the mpv version relate to the install method?

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Luke said:

Even if it were a separate install, the app would still be compiled with a specific mpv version. How does the mpv version relate to the install method?

By not tying it to the store, the directory for the mpv library could be more accessible and mpv would be replaceable, as it was with Theater. But by using the store, it's buried in the Microsoft app directories, which are difficult to access and get overwritten. With Theater we could simply update mpv at will and use the new developments via an mpv.conf. Using the store exclusively has made the app unmanageable. The store has all of the control. Losing the ability to replace mpv and use an mpv.conf is very bad. Especially without an external player option. Development is far too slow to take all of those options away. You're going to have more complaints than you already have, and there will be no way for anyone to help them. We currently wait indefinite lengths of time to even beta test anything, and even then we may not get what we want. Do you not see the problem with that? You need an advanced users app that we can install and control, or people like me will disappear (I can hear a few people cheering lol). But having us in the community is valuable. I for one, like helping, but I don't need to be here. I make mpv work perfectly for my requirements. I don't remember the last time I used emby. Oh wait, yes I do. A few weeks ago, but I had no internet and the license wasn't seen, so I couldn't use it. More reasons to not use emby. I digress. Currently, the way it is, for me, emby is unusable. 

[Luke 42077]

But even if it’s harder it’s still possible to locate the install dir and put in a custom mpv, no?

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Luke said:

But even if it’s harder it’s still possible to locate the install dir and put in a custom mpv, no?

It's far more than I intend to mess with. But updating mpv would be moot. The config has to be altered and we now have no way of doing that anymore. 

[softworkz 5065]

10 hours ago, Luke said:

But even if it’s harder it’s still possible to locate the install dir and put in a custom mpv, no?

The point is that the application is made to work with the very specific MPV version that it is being shipped with. 

@generiq himself has made countless posts which are giving examples for why the Windows app will NOT work properly with other MPV versions.

The next major update to the Windows app will ship with the then-latest-version of MPV and be adapted to this specific version.

The existing gap here is impatience and the lack of understanding that we are (1) not working continuously on this app and (2) that we are not making risky changes outside of a beta phase, that require intensive work and testing , and (3) that talking up big and ranting loud is not going to change (1) or (2).

The shown kind of behavior for trying to force us into taking actions may have seemed to work successfully in the past on a few occasions, but there, it had just coincided with our own goals. I cannot stress enough and want to be very clear, that loudly discrediting our app and talking  bad about its video playback capabilities, blowing up details to the max and similar behavior is neither a legitimate nor a successful way to force any kind of actions upon us.
But what it will achieve - if continued - is that it will eliminate all interest and willingness to collaborate on MPV integration details during beta phases in the future.

This also applies to attempts, trying to force me into discussions by badmouthing and attacking me personally. This is not going to work and this is also the only statement on the subject that I'm going to make.

Thanks
sw

[Houfino 41]

On 7/18/2025 at 8:38 AM, softworkz said:

Most people have turned off Windows updates through Windows to protect against damage......

If you have updates turned off, the Microsoft store will not work...Microsoft store wants you to turn on updates..

Because people don't like the Microsoft Store and they have a right to... You should have done 2 types of "setup + store"...

Fox example: 

BUG Windows 10

BUG Windows 11

People are afraid of updates because they damage Windows..That's why they would rather turn off updates than have Microsoft fix it...That's why the Microsoft Store requires us to turn on updates..That's why we don't want to!!!! Think about it a bit...

You should have respected people if they don't want the store and just want the installer program

 

[Guest]

Oh brother! hehe....

Enjoy your mediocrity....

[Guest]

@Houfinobrother, we're dealing with totalitarianism. They aren't going to listen. Time to exit....