Comment tagger les pistes multi-artistes ?

[vincen 71]

Bonjour

Est-ce que quelqu'un saurait comment tagger correctement les pistes audio qui ont plusieurs artistes ? séparation par une virgule, point-virgule, autre chose ?

Je n'ai rien trouvé dans la documentation.

Question subsidiaire, est-ce qu'Emby sait gérer cela correctement ? ou c'est la même galère que Plex et Jellyfin qui sont totalement incapables de gérer cela correctement

Merci

Vincèn

[user24 312]

https://emby.media/support/articles/Music-Naming.html

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Multiple artists can be listed for tracks and should be separated with a "; " (semicolon space)

I use this extensively for both Artists and Album Artists, so yes, Emby handles it properly according to their documentation.

[Happy2Play 9780]

Yes the semicolon is documented, and you also can use the forward slash.

I believe there is work on the double slash ID3v2.4 also but haven't followed its progress recently.

 

Edited January 21, 2025 by Happy2Play

[user24 312]

Also, both forward double-slash // and backward double-slash \\ work with importing multi-field FLAC file metadata from Mp3tag into Emby. (I just re-checked it now on 4.8.10.0.) 

However, I typically stick with a semicolon (as per Emby recommendation) for new files and updated metadata, but don't bother changing older files that are already working with // or \\.

[vincen 71]

thanks @user24and @Happy2Play it works perfect with semi-colon. Now I need to figure out why some albums are detected properly and some are not at all. They are all tagged using Easytag setup for ID3v2.3.

Will have to check in the nightmare of logs I guess to find out the reason

[user24 312]

32 minutes ago, vincen said:

Now I need to figure out why some albums are detected properly and some are not at all.

If tracks are showing individually and not properly combining into albums, then perhaps check that "Album" and "AlbumArtist" and/or "Album Artist" tags are all correct, if you haven't already.

[vincen 71]

9 minutes ago, user24 said:

If tracks are showing individually and not properly combining into albums, then perhaps check that "Album" and "AlbumArtist" and/or "Album Artist" tags are all correct, if you haven't already.

In fact I have checked that already ! They are showing individually and just with their filenames like no tags existed in files 

[user24 312]

Something else to possibly look at is your music folder/file structure and what you have selected in your Emby music library:

 

If this doesn't help, you might need to give a specific example with more details and relevant screenshots for further assistance...

You also said some albums are good -  what is the difference between the good albums and the bad albums - there might be some clues there???

Edited January 22, 2025 by user24

[vincen 71]

7 hours ago, user24 said:

Something else to possibly look at is your music folder/file structure and what you have selected in your Emby music library:

Well for that it's good as I'm with the advised structure artist/albums/tracks and my files are organised that way

7 hours ago, user24 said:

You also said some albums are good -  what is the difference between the good albums and the bad albums - there might be some clues there???

well I found out one clue. All the recent albums that I have tagged with Easytag are not recognised properly in Emby Unhappy I can't find an option in Easytag that would change that ! Any suggestions of a good tag editor for Linux a? s Easytag looks not good for it. Only other one I could find is Picard Musicbrainz but it's unusable as the db it uses is a complete mess

Here are options I have in Easytag right now that are following Emby indications in documentation so it looks to be good but it's not working....

[vincen 71]

Update: I have tried with Musicbrainz to rewrite all tags but no changes in Emby after a new scan. I have looked into logs and there is an issue with Discogs if I understand well:

2025-01-22 18:38:33.564 Info LibraryMonitor: 03 - Call Daddy From The Mine (/medias/Musique/VP/C/Johnny Cash/From Sea To Shining Sea (1968)/03 - Call Daddy From The Mine.flac) will be refreshed.
2025-01-22 18:38:33.803 Info HttpClient: GET https://api.discogs.com/artists/355
2025-01-22 18:38:34.019 Error App: Error in Discogs
    *** Error Report ***
    Version: 4.8.10.0
    Command line: /opt/emby-server/system/EmbyServer.dll -programdata /var/lib/emby -ffdetect /opt/emby-server/bin/ffdetect -ffmpeg /opt/emby-server/bin/ffmpeg -ffprobe /opt/emby-server/bin/ffprobe -restartexitcode 3 -updatepackage emby-server-deb_{version}_amd64.deb
    Operating system: Linux version 6.1.0-27-amd64 (debian-kernel@lists.debian.org) (gcc-12 (Debian 12.2.0-14) 12.2.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Debian) 2.40) #1 SMP PREEMPT
    Framework: .NET 6.0.31
    OS/Process: x64/x64
    Runtime: opt/emby-server/system/System.Private.CoreLib.dll
    Processor count: 64
    Data path: /var/lib/emby
    Application path: /opt/emby-server/system
    MediaBrowser.Model.Net.HttpException: MediaBrowser.Model.Net.HttpException: NotFound
       at Emby.Server.Implementations.HttpClientManager.CoreHttpClientManager.SendAsyncInternal(HttpRequestOptions options, String httpMethod)
       at Emby.Server.Implementations.HttpClientManager.CoreHttpClientManager.SendAsync(HttpRequestOptions options, String httpMethod)
       at Discogs.Plugin.GetResponse(HttpRequestOptions request, String method)
       at Discogs.Plugin.GetDeserializedResponse[T](HttpRequestOptions request, String method)
       at Discogs.DiscogsArtistProvider.GetMetadataResponse(ArtistInfo id, CancellationToken cancellationToken)
       at Discogs.DiscogsArtistProvider.GetMetadata(ArtistInfo id, CancellationToken cancellationToken)
       at Emby.Providers.Manager.MetadataService`2.ExecuteRemoteProviders(MetadataResult`1 temp, LibraryOptions libraryOptions, String logName, TIdType id, IRemoteMetadataProvider`2[] providers, MetadataRefreshOptions options, CancellationToken cancellationToken)
    Source: Emby.Server.Implementations
    TargetSite: Void MoveNext()

I'm going to deactivate Discogs in settings of the library and do a rescan and see what happens (I noticed also that it looks to use only Discogs although it's my second choice in list of data sources to use

[user24 312]

8 hours ago, vincen said:

Any suggestions of a good tag editor for Linux

I mainly use Windows Mp3tag so can't directly offer any Linux suggestions that I have personally used. But, you could perhaps try:

• Puddletag (which is supposedly similar to Mp3tag)
• Mp3tag on Linux via Wine
• Onetagger
• Kid3

There are probably many others as well???

5 hours ago, vincen said:

Update: I have tried with Musicbrainz to rewrite all tags but no changes in Emby after a new scan. I have looked into logs and there is an issue with Discogs if I understand well:

Out of curiosity, I downloaded the Johnny Cash/From Sea To Shining Sea album (shown in your log) and tagged it from MusicBrainz source, in Mp3tag. It imported correctly into Emby and Emby added the correct Artist and Album Discogs IDs. So, while you may have a Metadata Downloader problem, it could be something more fundamental with the embedded tags......???

I guess you are trying a lot of different things to fix the problem...

Maybe try isolating a problem album into a test library and don't use any MusicBrainz IDs or MusicBrainz/Discogs downloaders at all. Then, manually check/rewrite some of the basic Artist/Album etc info and see if Emby will update the info... (Note: you could also just rescan the relevant parent folder via the folder tab of your music library, rather than recanning a whole library - it's much faster to test and check things.)

[vincen 71]

5 hours ago, user24 said:

Maybe try isolating a problem album into a test library and don't use any MusicBrainz IDs or MusicBrainz/Discogs downloaders at all. Then, manually check/rewrite some of the basic Artist/Album etc info and see if Emby will update the info... (Note: you could also just rescan the relevant parent folder via the folder tab of your music library, rather than recanning a whole library - it's much faster to test and check things.)

Well I'm not going to change my Library setup as last time I did that it crashed my whole Emby and never got any explanations why it happened

5 hours ago, user24 said:

Out of curiosity, I downloaded the Johnny Cash/From Sea To Shining Sea album (shown in your log) and tagged it from MusicBrainz source, in Mp3tag. It imported correctly into Emby and Emby added the correct Artist and Album Discogs IDs. So, while you may have a Metadata Downloader problem, it could be something more fundamental with the embedded tags......???

I suspect more and more it's a specific problem with my Music Library as i have already also the random problem that is also a mistery (never got any explanations about the problem...). I have already fully rewritten quite few times all the tags with different softwares so I strongly suspect a problem in Emby that prevents it now to scan properly music files

@Lukeany ideas ? may be linked with my random problem ?

[vincen 71]

so no solution for that problem ???

[Luke 42077]

Hi there, can you please provide a specific example of your issue? Thanks.

[vincen 71]

2 hours ago, Luke said:

Hi there, can you please provide a specific example of your issue? Thanks.

hi @Luke well I have supplied logs in previous message, what do you need else ?

Thanks

[vincen 71]

oki so one more time it's a damn bug in Emby server that problem of music The music scanner just crashes after a while and from then all music imported won't be tag scanned !

you restart the Emby server and then it indexes it properly....

[vincen 71]

The music scanner is just terrible I import a compilation so Album Artist is tagged as "Various Artists", I scan the library and then it reports some tracks as being from VA artist and some properly as "Various Artists" tag..... I tag the whole compil as VA, it updates then properly whole album as from VA, I tag back as Various Artists and again same mess: half of album indexed as VA artist and half other as Various artists.....

Emby is clearly as bad as Plex for Music, such a shame there is no media manager able to handle music properly

[Luke 42077]

On 2/6/2025 at 11:02 AM, vincen said:

oki so one more time it's a damn bug in Emby server that problem of music The music scanner just crashes after a while and from then all music imported won't be tag scanned !

you restart the Emby server and then it indexes it properly....

Hi there, what makes you think that the "music scanner crashes" ?

[Luke 42077]

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I scan the library and then it reports some tracks as being from VA artist and some properly as "Various Artists" tag

Let's look at the contents of those audio files. I bet we will find some of them tagged with VA. Actually I can pretty much promise that. Please zip up the album and attach it here or PM it to me. Thanks.

[vincen 71]

2 hours ago, Luke said:

Hi there, what makes you think that the "music scanner crashes" ?

as explained in my message you quote   Emby is no more able to scan properly music files and adds files just using their filenames and ignore all tags in files. I have posted the crash log of the scanner when it happens. I restart Emby, redo a scan and then miracle it scans then these files and add them properly !

[Luke 42077]

3 minutes ago, vincen said:

as explained in my message you quote   Emby is no more able to scan properly music files and adds files just using their filenames and ignore all tags in files. I have posted the crash log of the scanner when it happens. I restart Emby, redo a scan and then miracle it scans then these files and add them properly !

Hi, there is no server log attached to this topic other than a small snippet. And that snippet is not the "scanner". That is internet metadata retrieval, which is not the important part of music scanning. So let's please look at a specific example, along with the complete emby server log file. Please attach the log file to this topic rather than pasting the contents. Thanks.

[vincen 71]

2 hours ago, Luke said:

Let's look at the contents of those audio files. I bet we will find some of them tagged with VA. Actually I can pretty much promise that. Please zip up the album and attach it here or PM it to me. Thanks.

Well it's the way Emby handles Various Artists tag that is a damn issue ! Please see your pm I have checked all files individually of the album and they are all properly tagged as Various Artists for Artist album but Emby splits the album in 2 (one as VA, one as Various Artists...). To be sure it's not a problem with Easytag I checked each files individually in file browser to be sure tags were well written in files.

Thanks

[Luke 42077]

I didn't even have to test your files inside Emby (although I did). I could see the problem right from windows explorer:

Look at the last column.

[vincen 71]

2 hours ago, Luke said:

I didn't even have to test your files inside Emby (although I did). I could see the problem right from windows explorer:

Thanks @Lukefor the check and the problem becomes more and more mysterious. If I check that exact same file (the second track) in Linux file manager it lists well "Various Artists" and not VA ! How is that possible ?

Update: using an other tag editor (Ex Falso) I discovered that the problematic audio files have 2 Album artist tag in it (the standard one and a non standard one) and it looks like Windows Explorer and Emby are using that non standard tag when it's present Once I deleted the non standard tags in the files and putted them back in Emby it got indexed properly !

Edited February 15, 2025 by vincen

[Luke 42077]

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and it looks like Windows Explorer and Emby are using that non standard tag

There isn't really a definitive standard or non-standard embedded tag. For the best results with as many applications as possible, you should use tagging software that can write to all of them.