Weird Metadata Identification issue "V (1983)"

[dcook 299]

I scanned in an old show: V (TV Mini Series 1983) - IMDb

Emby initially auto identifies it wrong as: The Thorn Birds (TV Mini Series 1983) - IMDb

When I click on identify and input the correct IMDB number: tt0085106

It then shows the correct image:

 

I then select replace images and ok

 

However the correct "V" information is not shown, it has changed to: "Around the world with willy fog"

If I repeat the steps above it stays on "Around the world with willy fog" no matter how many times I click on Identify and input: tt0085106

I have then tried running a library scan, and metadata folder scan, no change

Any ideas?

I have not had any other issues with correcting wrong metadata, the process I described above always worked, I don't know why for this one its not.

Duane

 

 

Edited December 30, 2024 by dcook

[pwhodges 2012]

I would change the folder name to:
      V (1984) [tvdbid=76354]

which I think will maximise your success (assuming you have TVDB as the primary metadata source for TV series); the date is that used by TVDB.  Try it and see!

Paul

[dcook 299]

Normally I  use IMDB id's if I need to fix metadata

Your saying its best to have the tvdbid in the actual folder name? 

Isn't using the identify option updating it in the database directly?

 

What I am looking for clarification on, is not that it was identified incorrectly initially, I have had that happen before, and the process that I described always worked.

My concern is that when I select the correct data, and click apply, its not applied and instead it changes to "Around the world with willy fog"  would this be a bug?

Edited December 30, 2024 by dcook

[GrimReaper 4740]

1 hour ago, dcook said:

My concern is that when I select the correct data, and click apply, its not applied and instead it changes to "Around the world with willy fog"  would this be a bug?

No, it likely wouldn't be. Without server log it's hard to tell which actual queries were made - and what were the responses, but based on your description and screenshots: that was not "correct" data (IMDBId tt085106). It is not "false" either, depending on what does one look for, but it is incorrect in this particular scenario/Emby-wise.

To put things in perspective: IMDBId is used only for lookup at online providers' databases (TVDB, TMDB, OMDBApi...) - meaning if that IMDBId is not associated with an item with those providers, it is as if it doesn't exist/it isn't utilized.

TVDB has single entry for the original "V (1984)" TV show: V - TheTVDB.com

IMDBId associated with that show is tt0086822, not tt085106 (you can follow the IMDB link in "On other sites" section on the above TVDB page).

IMDB has two entries for "V" TV show:

2 episode Mini-series: V (TV Mini Series 1983) - IMDb (tt085106)

19-episode series: V (TV Series 1984–1985) - IMDb (tt0086822)

TVDB has a single entry, with 2-parts Mini-series being Special episodes of the same series: V - Unknown - Specials - TheTVDB.com

So, you can only identify that series with tt0086822 (with naming those Mini-series episodes accordingly: S00E01 and S00E02) if you insist on using IMDBId; otherwise, go with TVDBId 76354 as suggested by @pwhodgesabove.

https://emby.media/support/articles/TV-Naming.html#id-tags-in-folder--file-names

 

Edit: Alternatively, move TMDB on top of your library preferred meta-providers (as "V (1983)" and "V (1984) are listed separately there, with properly associated IMDBIds). Identify, download metadata, lock item to prevent further changes, revert TVDB as top-preferred meta-provider.

Edited December 30, 2024 by GrimReaper
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[dcook 299]

I will try using the tvdb id's, but I am still confused by this behavior.

Like I showed in my screen captures, when I click identify and put in: tt0085106 it shows me the correct image, but when I click on it, and then click on replace images and ok, emby is not doing what I told it to do.  Meaning, it didn't put the image for tt0085106, instead it puts "Around the world with willy fog" image

Obviously the imdb id worked, if it found it when I put it in after clicking identify, just don't understand why instead its putting something else.

[GrimReaper 4740]

16 minutes ago, dcook said:

Like I showed in my screen captures, when I click identify and put in: tt0085106 it shows me the correct image

And like already said: that is not "correct" result in your particular scenario, according that resulting poster image and year - it is likely search result from TMDB (not TVDB) which does not have TVDBId associated (hence no pointer/redirect/reference) as per posted image:

57 minutes ago, GrimReaper said:

Identify with tt0086822 instead and you should be sorted. Or make TMDB top-preferred TV show library provider/identify/lock/revert.

Edited December 30, 2024 by GrimReaper

[dcook 299]

I used the TMDB ids's and it looks proper now:

 

I will use TMDB in the future, I never had a problem with IMDB in the past, so I just found it strange that it was replacing what I selected with "Around the world with willy fog" which isn't even close to V 

[Luke 42078]

Emby doesn't have a direct Imdb id lookup, so when you use that to search, it will be used with your primary metadata provider. 

Both tvdb and Moviedb support searching by imdb id, but often times they don't have the values in their database for some titles (or they could be wrong).

When you name your files and folders using provider ids, it is best to stick to MovieDb and Tvdb. 

[MrAudio 22]

To re-echo Luke, using IMDB numbers is MUCH LESS optimal than using TMDB or TVDB numbers directly, because that's ultimately what you're going to end up with, because Emby doesn't actually pull data directly from IMDB. It just uses the IMDB number to see what it can find on TMDB or TVDB (whichever is your primary). And you'd be shocked at how often the IMDB is wrong or missing.

And between the two, TMDB is by FAR the better choice for nearly all content - though there are some niche TV content that may be better on TVDB. But until a couple of years ago, TVDB's method of data entry was very free-form, which resulted in endless duplicates and misspellings and tons and tons of other database errors, and they were not possible for users to fix directly. They redid the site a couple of years ago, and data entry for new information is MUCH more structured, but the existing database is still a disaster area that's slowly, gradually being cleaned up, but IMO it's going to be many years of one-off corrections before it gets to TMDB's level of correctness (and that database is far from perfect).

I make 30-40,000 edits on TMDB a year, and about half that many on TVDB (because I use it much less), but the point is: I have a LOT of experience with the state of these databases. You'll be much happier with TMDB as your primary IMO.

[dcook 299]

I will use TVDB going forward, I just assumed since IMDB was one of the search options, Emby was querying IMDB directly.

IMDb Id is also first on the list of providers when you click on Identify, that is probably why I always used that option when I started with Emby 10 years ago

Perhaps TVDB should be first on the list? or somehow marked as the preferred method?

Regarding TMDB, that does not appear to be an option when using the Identify function:

[Luke 42078]

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Perhaps TVDB should be first on the list? or somehow marked as the preferred method?

Yes there is room for improvement there.

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Regarding TMDB, that does not appear to be an option when using the Identify function:

Tmdb is MovieDb.