Aired Order vs DVD Order Season Numbering

[im_L0r3 0]

Emby Premiere Version 4.8.10.0

For a specific show the season order between "Aired Order" is different than the "DVD Order".

For example on TheTVDB season 20 of the Aired Order is the season name "ABC" season but season 20 of the DVD order is the season name "DEF" season.

I did try setting the "File order" for the show to "Dvd" but it does not resolve it. Seems like that setting only sets the order of the episode within a season.

It there a solution to tell Emby to use the TheTVDB API DVD order for the season numbering?

Edited November 27, 2024 by im_L0r3
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[pwhodges 2012]

Can you confirm that you are changing the season and episode numbers of your files and folders to match the order you are selecting?  Emby won't change them for you.

Paul

[im_L0r3 0]

I am NOT changing the season number of the files from the DVD order to the Aired order yet. Thats a last resort of sorts. The two different orders have some differences in number of episodes, so Ill need to manually verify each episode. Doable put painstaking work.

If there is no way to do this currently (seems there isnt) I guess a feature suggestion is an option to set an entire show to 100% use all the data from the TheTVDB "DVD Order" including the season numbers and not just the episodes within a season.

[pwhodges 2012]

Emby is not assuming that you use a specific numbering.  You number the files yourself, then you tell Emby what numbering you have used - that is all.  If you want to use a different ordering you have to implement that in your file naming and then tell Emby what you've done.

Emby doesn't use the season and episode numbers "from" TVDB, it asks TVDB for the data corresponding to those you have specified.

It may be that Radarr or something similar can be programmed to change a series from one numbering to another, but I don't use it, so I don't know.

Paul

Edited November 27, 2024 by pwhodges

[im_L0r3 0]

Yes i agree and understand. What Im maybe not communicating clearly is an option to specify what API call it makes to TheTVDB would be useful. Emby could get seasons for the Aired order vs get the seasons from the DVD order, since in some cases its not just the episodes within a season that dont match, but rather sometimes the DVD seasons are very different from the Aired seasons.

[Luke 42078]

1 hour ago, im_L0r3 said:

Yes i agree and understand. What Im maybe not communicating clearly is an option to specify what API call it makes to TheTVDB would be useful. Emby could get seasons for the Aired order vs get the seasons from the DVD order, since in some cases its not just the episodes within a season that dont match, but rather sometimes the DVD seasons are very different from the Aired seasons.

Hi, when you set the order for the series in the metadata editor, everything related to seasons and episodes will be affected based on  that.

[im_L0r3 0]

Hu. Well thats not whats happing and I have tried to do a careful controlled test by setting the show to DVD order first, then adding a season, but its getting the data for Aired sesons from the TVDB API.

Ill do another very controlled test to verify and report back. It may take me up to ~24 hours to get to that.

 

Edited November 27, 2024 by im_L0r3

[Luke 42078]

4 minutes ago, im_L0r3 said:

Hu. Well thats not whats happing and I have tried to do a careful controlled test by setting the show to DVD order first, then adding a season, but its getting the data for Aired sesons from the TVDB API.

Ill do another very controlled test to verify and report back. It may take me up to ~24 hours to get to that.

 

What makes you think  that exactly?

[im_L0r3 0]

Step 1) I set the SHOW to "File order: Dvd"

Step 2) I add a season folder (in this example season 18) to the show folder

Step 3) I wait for Emby to scan and find the new season folder

 

I just figured it out as I was writing this post. Emby is getting the correct seasons and show data from the API, but its getting the cover art from the "Aired order" and not from the "DVD Order". Obviously I can fix the cover, easy. Its is doing this for other seasons for this show as well. Maybe a bug with what API call its doing when fetching the cover?

[tedfroop21 86]

18 minutes ago, im_L0r3 said:

I just figured it out as I was writing this post. Emby is getting the correct seasons and show data from the API, but its getting the cover art from the "Aired order" and not from the "DVD Order". Obviously I can fix the cover, easy. Its is doing this for other seasons for this show as well. Maybe a bug with what API call its doing when fetching the cover?

There are a couple things I check.

First,  that my preferred meta source is listed first in the library settings (log in as amin, go to Manage Server,  Libraries, pick your library and click on it - the settings should pop up) and make sure the best Meta source (like thetvdb) is listed first in all three categories.   Then check they are listed first for Images as well.

Sometimes if you get meta from one site and images from another - they don't match.

Looking for a metadata problem is best because that way the problem goes away and doesn't come back the next time you rescan.

[Lessaj 467]

2 hours ago, im_L0r3 said:

Step 1) I set the SHOW to "File order: Dvd"

Step 2) I add a season folder (in this example season 18) to the show folder

Step 3) I wait for Emby to scan and find the new season folder

 

I just figured it out as I was writing this post. Emby is getting the correct seasons and show data from the API, but its getting the cover art from the "Aired order" and not from the "DVD Order". Obviously I can fix the cover, easy. Its is doing this for other seasons for this show as well. Maybe a bug with what API call its doing when fetching the cover?

Did you refresh metadata and replace existing images after changing the order to DVD? I added Firefly today, originally it added as Aired order as usual, I changed it to DVD and the descriptions changed, but the photos did not. I then refreshed and replaced images and they changed.

[pwhodges 2012]

7 hours ago, im_L0r3 said:

Emby is getting the correct seasons and show data from the API, but its getting the cover art from the "Aired order" and not from the "DVD Order". Obviously I can fix the cover, easy. Its is doing this for other seasons for this show as well. Maybe a bug with what API call its doing when fetching the cover?

I suspect that the problem here is likely to be the fact that the data in TVDB is not actually that well curated.  Many editors do an inconsistent job, especially in versions of the data that they don't themselves use, so it could simply be that those images in TVDB are incorrect.  Add to that the propensity of TVDB to lock series while in a bad state, and yes, sometimes you just have to fix things up in your own server.

Paul

[Luke 42078]

@im_L0r3?

[js28194 36]

Try changing the "Display Order" in Metadata Manager first.  In Emby Web App, click on the gear in the top right hand corner, in the left menu, scroll down to Metadata Manager, select your show and change it to the correct sort order, before doing anything drastic.

 

 

Remember to hit save... in the top right of this area, it's really small and can be missed. Then refresh the series metada.

Edited November 30, 2024 by js28194

[pwhodges 2012]

The key thing is to tell Emby to use the order which corresponds to the numbering in your file names; that is all.

Paul

[Diedrich 377]

On 11/30/2024 at 11:09 AM, js28194 said:

Try changing the "Display Order" in Metadata Manager first.

Thank you! I didn’t know about this setting. This fixed my Firefly order to the DVD order.

[tedfroop21 86]

On 27/11/2024 at 21:48, Lessaj said:

Did you refresh metadata and replace existing images after changing the order to DVD? I added Firefly today, originally it added as Aired order as usual, I changed it to DVD and the descriptions changed, but the photos did not. I then refreshed and replaced images and they changed.

Yes.  If you want the changes to happen after you change the sort order you need to update the meta images.

I don't believe there is an automated task that will update your images.