Separate cast from crew

[CRiXiD 25]

I want to be able to easily explore films by key crew on films (usually director, writer, producers), however always have to scroll through the giant list of cast to find them at the end. They're often not even listed.

[Happy2Play 9780]

I guess that is why Director has a link up front guess it could depend on the client.

 

[CRiXiD 25]

1 hour ago, Happy2Play said:

I guess that is why Director has a link up front guess it could depend on the client.

 

Thank you Yes, the name is there on the Shield client, but you can't click through. There's also no ability to see the writer or producers. The writer is to me of particular importance.

[darkassassin07 652]

That's an interesting idea. Perhaps by making the words 'Cast' and 'Crew' clickable above that list, switching between which list is displayed in the 'Cast & Crew' space. A pair of tabs, of sorts.

Then it wouldn't take up any additional space in the UI.

[CRiXiD 25]

9 minutes ago, darkassassin07 said:

That's an interesting idea. Perhaps by making the words 'Cast' and 'Crew' clickable above that list, switching between which list is displayed in the 'Cast & Crew' space. A pair of tabs, of sorts.

Then it wouldn't take up any additional space in the UI.

That would work perfectly well. Avoiding clutter is always worthwhile, so tabs would be a sensible approach.

[Smitty018210 143]

8 hours ago, darkassassin07 said:

That's an interesting idea. Perhaps by making the words 'Cast' and 'Crew' clickable above that list, switching between which list is displayed in the 'Cast & Crew' space. A pair of tabs, of sorts.

Then it wouldn't take up any additional space in the UI.

Yeah Kinda like this idea.

[ebr 16169]

13 hours ago, darkassassin07 said:

Perhaps by making the words 'Cast' and 'Crew' clickable above that list,

That doesn't work very well on a TV because it doubles the amount of clicks necessary to traverse the rows.

[ebr 16169]

Related:

 

[darkassassin07 652]

1 hour ago, ebr said:

That doesn't work very well on a TV because it doubles the amount of clicks necessary to traverse the rows.

How so?

 

It'd be displayed the same as it is now, but with a single additional vertical line/item (clickable cast/crew buttons on one line) likely defaulted to 'Cast'. Plus it's already almost at the bottom; it's not like users would be scrolling past it all the time to get to the play button...

[ebr 16169]

1 hour ago, darkassassin07 said:

How so?

 

It'd be displayed the same as it is now, but with a single additional vertical line/item (clickable cast/crew buttons on one line) likely defaulted to 'Cast'. Plus it's already almost at the bottom; it's not like users would be scrolling past it all the time to get to the play button...

To be "clickable" in a TV interface means that it must gain focus when navigating.  If all headers are clickable, then the clicks required to navigate the screen vertically is doubled.

If this header is clickable, the why not the others?  This is why we don't use clickable headers in a TV interface.

[darkassassin07 652]

50 minutes ago, ebr said:

If this header is clickable, the why not the others?  This is why we don't use clickable headers in a TV interface.

Because there's no need, desire, or request to make the other headers clickable?

 

You're the one that extrapolated to making them all clickable. That's not what was requested and seems like quite the strawman argument tbh.

 

'We' asked for one extra item, not 26, and again; most of the info below the 'cast & crew' is very infrequently visited. An additional line to scroll past would be very very inconsequential.

[Smitty018210 143]

1 hour ago, darkassassin07 said:

Because there's no need, desire, or request to make the other headers clickable?

 

You're the one that extrapolated to making them all clickable. That's not what was requested and seems like quite the strawman argument tbh.

 

'We' asked for one extra item, not 26, and again; most of the info below the 'cast & crew' is very infrequently visited. An additional line to scroll past would be very very inconsequential.

There is no sense debating this with them. I've hated that they have removed all the clickable headers from TV mode when they updated to UI some months ago. (IE: Clicking header for an actor and showing their works in a vertical grid.) Clicking up and down a few times = bad. Clicking hundred times left or right = GREAT!

I've for one have wanted to be able to click the actor header for a film and have all the actor listed in a vertical list FOREVER! I have no need or want to scroll 100+ times to left or right to view who is all in the film. Makes zero sense to me. Never will.

Edited August 30, 2024 by Smitty018210

[CRiXiD 25]

4 hours ago, ebr said:

Related:

 

That is indeed related, however a much more complex request as it emphasises editing person data. To bring this back to the essence of my request, it is simply to make the important crew easily accessible and linkable. You already have director linkable on some apps, but that's outright missing on shield, yet easily viewing by director, writer etc is core to how we engage with films in our house. Whilst I like the clickable header idea that's very much a secondary concern personally. There are other ways this could be solved...

- Add another fixed vertical section 

- Add another vertical section, with some configuration options for those who don't want it. This is broadly consistent with emby UX today imo. 

- A separate list is ideal so that you can maintain sorting presumably based on top billed, however if you don't like dual lists, you already seem to use a fixed position for the director - last. Instead, use something like

-- First - Director

-- Second - Writer

-- Dynamic - Top billed cast and crew

Furthermore it seems that the writer is often outright missing from the current list.

Generally speaking I think crew should be treated with the same if not higher importance than the cast but right now they're an afterthought.

[ebr 16169]

2 hours ago, darkassassin07 said:

Because there's no need, desire, or request to make the other headers clickable?

There will be and have been in the past and this is why we (and pretty much anyone else) don't generally have clickable headers in TV mode.  It goes against most design guidance for 10' UIs.

[Happy2Play 9780]

58 minutes ago, CRiXiD said:

-- First - Director

-- Second - Writer

-- Dynamic - Top billed cast and crew

Would have to search but think there was a big discussion on this as no one wanted this order.

[CRiXiD 25]

10 minutes ago, Happy2Play said:

Would have to search but think there was a big discussion on this as no one wanted this order.

I wonder if that was from users of devices that have the director link? Seems odd that everyone would want the director as the single hardest piece of information to find, as is the case on the shield.

Edited August 30, 2024 by CRiXiD

[ebr 16169]

15 hours ago, CRiXiD said:

Seems odd that everyone would want the director as the single hardest piece of information to find, as is the case on the shield.

Not clickable but certainly findable...

[CRiXiD 25]

That is not the shield app. Also, the feature request relates to supporting linking to director and writer.

Is there a format i can use to make the feature request less prone to "drift"?

Edit: I apologise, that is the shield app. I didn't realise there are two apps. To be specific then,

- I am using the Android TV app

- Viewing or linking through director requires clicking right on the cast row as many times as there are actors 

- Writer is missing from the cast row, unless they fill another role in the cast

- Producers are also missing from the cast row topically, unless they fill another role in the cast

 

Edited August 31, 2024 by CRiXiD

[ebr 16169]

2 hours ago, CRiXiD said:

Also, the feature request relates to supporting linking to director and writer.

Yes but I was just responding to your statement that the information was hard to find as well.

2 hours ago, CRiXiD said:

- Writer is missing from the cast row, unless they fill another role in the cast

- Producers are also missing from the cast row topically, unless they fill another role in the cast

If they are in the metadata, they are shown.

[CRiXiD 25]

Understood, thank you. 

[Happy2Play 9780]

Not that anyone wants to edit all media but shouldn't drag and drop reorder in the UI honor making director first?  As testing the reorder and locking Actors are still aways first.  @Luke

[Luke 42077]

16 minutes ago, Happy2Play said:

Not that anyone wants to edit all media but shouldn't drag and drop reorder in the UI honor making director first?  As testing the reorder and locking Actors are still aways first.  @Luke

Are you saying it reverts after saving?

[Happy2Play 9780]

5 minutes ago, Luke said:

Are you saying it reverts after saving?

Correct.

Drag director to the top, lock applied, hit save, director is never moved and is back at the bottom of the list/display row.

Can only guess order of precedence on Person type.

Edited August 31, 2024 by Happy2Play

[Luke 42077]

17 minutes ago, Happy2Play said:

Correct.

Drag director to the top, lock applied, hit save, director is never moved and is back at the bottom of the list/display row.

Can only guess order of precedence on Person type.

OK yes I see the issue with that. Thanks.

[Bigmack3000 107]

I really don't understand how "amount of clicks" is an argument against in this situation.  We have to click x amount times down the entire cast list to find the directors as it stands.  So making either "cast" or "crew" clickable significantly Reduces the amount of clicks necessary to find the same information.  If clicks were truly the issue, then at the bare minimum directors should be listed first in that row.  

22 hours ago, Happy2Play said:

Would have to search but think there was a big discussion on this as no one wanted this order.

Is there a link to that discussion?  I'd be surprised if actually no one wanted writer or producer, etc, visible.