Android TV 2.1.14 framerate problems

[ebr 16169]

55 minutes ago, Teddyknuddel said:

Please don't tell me it's because of the file

Your sample plays buttery smooth for me...

[Teddyknuddel 136]

I would like an answer as to why it runs as it should under Kodi and what the difference is to Emby.

Is it because I can activate Direct Play directly in the addon? And why does it run just as smoothly with external players?

Emby really doesn't seem to be able to work with AV receivers - as you yourself indicated yesterday.

Edited August 15, 2024 by Teddyknuddel

[Teddyknuddel 136]

I give up - the Android apps will never run smoothly. Anyone who says otherwise is either incapable of seeing the stutters or simply doesn't want to see them. I can also force myself to believe that it's not a blue truck, but a green tank.

People don't really want to deal with any problems. Instead of looking at the programs that work properly, new features are added. They are not even willing to become a little more modern. Huge icons on a FullHD interface. My eyes aren't the best either, and have deteriorated a lot since my chemotherapy, so reading is no longer possible without glasses. But it could still be adapted. But this seems to involve work, which, as you can see, is very successfully avoided.

[ebr 16169]

18 hours ago, Teddyknuddel said:

I would like an answer as to why it runs as it should under Kodi and what the difference is to Emby

Everything is different.  Kodi is a universal app that is written at a low level of the OS.  It doesn't use the standard Android mechanisms everywhere even when running on Android.

18 hours ago, Teddyknuddel said:

Emby really doesn't seem to be able to work with AV receivers - as you yourself indicated yesterday

I indicated no such thing.  In fact, I said your sample plays beautifully on my AVR setup so I don't know what your specific issue is except that it appears to be specific to your setup.

[Teddyknuddel 136]

My problem is confirmed again and again in other forums. Nothing works as "smoothly" as you claim.

The fact is, Kodi can do it, your highly praised app cannot. And then blaming my hardware/configuration is typical of you. The test apps don't work, and neither do the regular ones. You can handle 23.976 or 24, but if you get a different frame rate, your app can pack its bags.

 

[Audiomixer 374]

My current setup. Shield 2019 pro (hot fix 9.2.0) > denon x4500 > Lg CX 77”. I downloaded that clip “Abspann Bitrate 25.mkv” and played it back with plex (exoplayer)…perfectly smooth. Next i used emby android for TV 2.1.16 (exoplayer)…perfectly smooth. Next i used emby for android 3.4.19 (exoplayer) and it too was perfectly smooth. Also played it back with kodi (ffmpeg) and it was as well perfectly smooth. I cannot reproduce a stutter.

[Teddyknuddel 136]

I don't care - I've tried everything. And with Plex it actually works for me without any stutters. It can ONLY be due to the app.

 

[Luke 42077]

6 minutes ago, Teddyknuddel said:

I don't care - I've tried everything. And with Plex it actually works for me without any stutters. It can ONLY be due to the app.

 

HI, but don't you want a personal media server and not one that puts all of your information into the cloud?

[Audiomixer 374]

No sorry, i can reproduce the stutter using your clip sample.mkv in plex, emby for android TV, emby for android AND kodi as well. Playback is identical in each.

My guess is that the original encode of that program on netflix is 23.98 and that the re-encode to 25.00 created that stutter in the file which no program can change or remove. Kodi on my system stutters just as much on your sample.mkv as does the exoplayer based apps.

Edited August 16, 2024 by Audiomixer

[Teddyknuddel 136]

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Edited August 16, 2024 by Teddyknuddel

[Teddyknuddel 136]

36 minutes ago, Luke said:

HI, but don't you want a personal media server and not one that puts all of your information into the cloud?

Yes, of course I do. I have set it so that there is only local network access.

 

35 minutes ago, Audiomixer said:

No sorry, i can reproduce the stutter using your clip sample.mkv in plex, emby for android TV, emby for android AND kodi as well. Playback is identical in each.

My guess is that the original encode of that program on netflix is 23.98 and that the re-encode to 25.00 created that stutter in the file which no program can change. Kodi on my system stutters just as much on your sample.mkv as does the exoplayer based apps.

And also tested the sample.mkv?

Abspann.mkv was a rip from an original bluray

Edited August 16, 2024 by Teddyknuddel

[Audiomixer 374]

48 minutes ago, Teddyknuddel said:

Yes, of course I do. I have set it so that there is only local network access.

 

And also tested the sample.mkv?

Abspann.mkv was a rip from an original bluray

Yes also tested your sample.mkv on all my exoplayers and kodi. The original from netflix being a 23.98 and re-encoded to 25 probably embedded the stutter. Just a guess on my part. On netflix it shows 23.98 during playback, your file shows 25.00 on my players.
Abspann.mkv being a rip from a bluray that was probably already a 25 frame encode would most likely explain the lack of stutter in all my players. My players show 25.00 frame rate.

Edited August 16, 2024 by Audiomixer

[Audiomixer 374]

Also used the VLC app to play your sample.mkv file on the shield. Exactly the same as with the explayer apps on shield.

Then i just tested your sample.mkv file using my apple tv 4k 3rd gen. I used the apple emby app, the apple plex app, and also the infuse app. They all play exactly the same with the exact same stutter whether i use the german or english sound tracks.

So that is 8 different apps on two different platforms that play the file exactly the same.

With that i will venture to say it is NOT the emby app at all but rather the encode of the file.

[Teddyknuddel 136]

@Audiomixer
Then I would like to know what @ebr has set so that it "runs smoothly" for him

And that's exactly what got me on the edge of my seat. Rock solid claim that it works for him. Or does he have problems with his eyes?

Edited August 16, 2024 by Teddyknuddel

[Audiomixer 374]

46 minutes ago, Teddyknuddel said:

@Audiomixer
Then I would like to know what @ebr has set so that it "runs smoothly" for him

And that's exactly what got me on the edge of my seat. Rock solid claim that it works for him. Or does he have problems with his eyes?

I cannot speak for @ebrbut perhaps he had not specifically viewed your sample.mkv to the very end where the airplane and panning scenes are containing the stutter.

All i know is that it is there in my trials and therefore must be in the file itself and not in your equipment either.

 

[pünktchen 1409]

1 hour ago, Teddyknuddel said:

Then I would like to know what @ebr has set so that it "runs smoothly" for him

His statement was for the sample "Abspann.mkv"!

[Audiomixer 374]

I have a series called Poldark that is 25 frames. Plays absolutely smooth with emby for android TV.

[Teddyknuddel 136]

8 hours ago, pünktchen said:

His statement was for the sample "Abspann.mkv"!

Just not

 

Edited August 17, 2024 by Teddyknuddel

[rbjtech 5282]

Guys, everyones equipment and their settings are different.   Some people turn on 'image processing' on their playback equipment which is making a poorly encoded file look 'ok' by filling in frames etc.   25fps material plays just fine in all the emby apps incl av receivers, but if its source was film/23.976 then its never gonna look great as its been messed with.   Scrap the file and re-rip it ensuring you match the original frame rate and interlace details.    Kodi 'may' be doing some of this intelligent frame work, which is why it looks better..

Edited August 17, 2024 by rbjtech

[pünktchen 1409]

On 8/14/2024 at 4:37 PM, ebr said:

Apologies, switching context too fast I guess.

Your sample plays buttery smooth on my Android TV with the Android TV app.  But I have a different display device than you do.  

I never received this log.  Did you get a confirmation message that the log sent?

 

On 8/14/2024 at 11:05 PM, ebr said:

I just tested your sample on my projector setup - which is a Shield Pro through an Onkyo receiver.  Smooth playback there but that system automatically matches frame rate (actually, went to 50hz).  If I manually force a bad frame rate, I can create a slight judder every second or so but that would be expected.

What frame rate is your display set to?

@TeddyknuddelThis was before you uploaded the sample "sample.mkv". So i guess ebr was always talking about your first sample "Abspann.mkv" and never tried your second example.

[Audiomixer 374]

3 hours ago, rbjtech said:

Guys, everyones equipment and their settings are different.   Some people turn on 'image processing' on their playback equipment which is making a poorly encoded file look 'ok' by filling in frames etc.   25fps material plays just fine in all the emby apps incl av receivers, but if its source was film/23.976 then its never gonna look great as its been messed with.   Scrap the file and re-rip it ensuring you match the original frame rate and interlace details.    Kodi 'may' be doing some of this intelligent frame work, which is why it looks better..

^^^ This exactly. Kodi on my setup looked identical to the other 7 player apps i tried.

Edited August 17, 2024 by Audiomixer

[Luke 42077]

For video stuttering, please try Emby for Android 3.5.25 and let us know how that compares:

https://emby.media/emby-for-android.html

Thanks.

[Teddyknuddel 136]

15 minutes ago, Luke said:

For video stuttering, please try Emby for Android 3.5.25 and let us know how that compares:

https://emby.media/emby-for-android.html

Thanks.

Why should I try an Android app when I now have one of the best boxes for Kodi? And why do you think I would wait 17 months for an app that MAYBE won't stutter anymore?